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Dan, Stay positive :D , they will be ok. As i mentioned b4, it happened to my ringnecks and green cheeks this year but overall birds bred ok. Other pairs were not affected by this "phenomenon", cold/humidity levels can be a factor. Sorry forgot to mention that I built the nest boxes out o...

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I will get some pics to compare by the weekend.

See next page http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... 0&start=50

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Hi Dan Sorry to hear about the loss, it is frustrating when that happends. I personally don't think it's the hen. it happends to young birds but it was a common cry this year for many. I can not say what it is but i suspect 2 things,1 there's nothing we can do about "Weather changes" This...

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Glenns picture: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-gJ5Ifox_OyI/UHNcoRN-HoI/AAAAAAAAAAY/kPy0O8Km5B0/s640/050220111965.jpg Glenn. to show your picture click on your picture then right click on it and "copy image location" paste that in and it works (pics should end in say .jpg or other pic f...

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From what I have been able to gather, I'm starting to consider that we get two types of violet, and also two types of dark (i.e. two alleles of the dark locus, and two alleles of the violet locus, 4 in total). Now herein lies the problem, I've seen people (both in SA and Aus) refer to both the seco...

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Hi Recio
Are you thinking Saphire?

Ben

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Johan,

Is that how black the nails really are ? or just in the picture?

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Hi Peter,

Quiet sure your purple bird is a Deep Blue Violet

Pic of a Deep Blue Violet + deep blue chicks

Ben

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Peter can you tell us more about the birds? Is the first 1 a CHF ADM Pied? no pied markings on head or tail. the NSL ino CT Does it have any CT distinguishable features in feathers? is this bird mature? Tell us about the Belgian Violet. do you have more pictures of the Violet Turquoise CHF ? from t...

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Johan, I agree on point a. - I guess referring to sf/df turq. is normal as is understood by most . I think we should upload pics of genotypes ABCD and to work visually with pictures. Recio mentioned that your turquoise is a light Turq (C). would be great to see a pic of what he means by heavy Turq ...

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Johan,

It goes to show how hard it is to judge a bird through a picture, and i assume your example was taken with same camera, only lighting was different.
Nice updated pics, Thanks for the updates, keep them coming, they look sublime.

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Thanks Recio It's great that you take the time to explain to less knowledged. Johan - Recio & others a. Do you think that DF Turquoise is the correct naming? b. Pair 1 example. Has this been proven to be so or still theoretical? to breed Turquoise out of the pair of Indigo? c. This pic is of a ...

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Hi Peter, I was always under the assumption that you are in AU. You being in SA it's an entirely matter altogether. Here in AU, CHF's have a long way to go to be a strong bird. Nice pic, if you have problems uploading pics you can email them to me and i can upload them on my site and you can always...

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I am an explorer. I already know the probable outcome by mixing NSL Ino X CHF and most likely it will be an extensive controlled experiment resulting in what we speculate the breeding results will be. we ought to explore even the unlikely. regardless of the result it will be called a proven result n...

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Peter I agree CT are rather strong . But i can not agree on CHF. If we look at their history since they were introduced in OZ and talk to serious CHF breeders will tell a diff. story. I mainly breed CHF i talk based on facts, results I see and i can measure. I assume that you have CHF's as well? I h...

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This is the reason to better speak of morphotypes instead of alleles/mutations. This is easier said then done :D Like saying: Think in English, not in your native language (easy for some harder for others). Let me ask you a question: Where do we get after 5 generations of breeding a Turquoise morph...

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Pair1: Indigo morphotype X Indigo morphotype Bred 4 male chicks and 3 year later you can see their rings and class them as: 1 Normal Blue 2 Indigo morphotype (little psittacin and no red in the ring) 1 Turquoise morphotype (more psittacin and red in the ring) Pair2: Indigo morphotype X Saphire morp...

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Considering that Clearhead Fallow's mutation is still weak, adding CT into the mix there's a good chance that the birds will be: weak, small in size, die young etc. The offspring could be too far from wildtype and not survive. Putting 2 CHF colored birds to breed the offspring is evdently weak in c...

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Great subject ! I can not add much but rather follow and learn as a good student does. I don't think i got a full grasp on the game but i'll have a go, to start somewhere. Q was: Let's go on parblues : would it be possible to get a "heavy turquoise" morphotype whithout any red pigment in ...

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Johan, NSL ino is probably one of the less understood mutations out there, where assumptions are that it will do what an SL ino does, therefore ignored but a gem could be uncovered by travelling the road less travelled. I'd rather expolore Bronze Fallow but can not get any as they are so rare. I ag...

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Back to topic suject Parents : Turquoise? Violet Pallid X Blue, see pictures above. A picture of the youngest violet possible violet Turquoise as the other 2 siblings that unfortunately were sold before i could take pics This pair is not part of my main breeding program and i will not keep any youn...

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2. A combo of Pastel and Clearhead fallow has already been obtained in blue series IRN (private communication, not allowed to show pics). 3. Mutations acting on the a locus will alter melanin expresion but psittacin expression remains intact, so it is better to study these birds in the blue series ...

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Clearhead fallow (buttercup) is not an allele of the a locus ... but some reports point to a possible interaction of clearhead fallow and mutations of the a locus (pastel, bronze fallow and NSL-ino) concerning eye colour. Do you think it's worth testing this theory and prove it right or wrong once ...

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Thanks Recio Most reading the above will think they are not reading English at times. I have found this on the net and pasted it here to summerize homozygous and heterozygous phenotypes and what it means. More and more readers can follow and have a better understanding, myself included. Feel free t...

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Can you also have a look at this topic?
http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/vie ... 26&t=15694

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Yes indeed, good question I do know how Clearheaded Fallows got in thanks to N. A. & J. Clear Tail i understand was brought in the same as above and i can't comment too much more on how. Harlequin and opaline J. Smith brought them in, as i understand it, in colaboration with the zoo that option...

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Hi Recio Thanks for your input. The reason the breeder sold this bird and the reason i wanted it, because out of about 20-30 Turquoise Violet Pallids he had this bird unlike the others has lost most of it's violet after 1 year or so . It is worth mentioning that she had 3 Turquoise Violet chicks th...

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Peter,

Do you have a picture of the Mauve Violet Pallid cock you can share with us?

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Yes, we have the Opaline, a few reccessive pieds around but not sure if they are ADMs. I like the ADM's pied pattern on the wings, quiet unique. Unfortunately we can not import birds, only through zoos and special arrangements otherwise i would swap a harlequin for an ADM anyday. If anyone knows a ...

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Peter, how are these? Just an update on her 3 chicks, all 3 are violets :shock: Pics will be coming soon the eldest one is showing turqouise as i mentioned previously if all 3 turn out turqouise violet, i can assume that she is DF turqouise explaining the coloring Is she a DF Violet? breeder i got ...

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Lushen, If i had to guess, i'd say convenience, easy to setup and works great as holding flights, can be moved around. you only need a sheet of wire mesh and some for the ends and you're done. Great Idea Johan :idea: Johan, 3 "obvious" birds stand out of that cage that would be something ...

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Yes, you're right, i had a look at the pics again and i have changed my comment to just ino before i have seen your reply

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Hi Carmen,

I agree with Johan

Male is Green Pallid X Ino hen

Outcome:
100.0% pallidIno males
Hens
100.0% pallid

A pic of a green clearheaded
http://parakeet.me/irn/greenbcup.jpg

have a good look at his eyes

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Any chance you can throw a grey amongst the mauves to see how easy is it to identify grey from mauve? only if you had one handy ?

It would be a great reference pic.

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Could be Turquoise-ino ?? Inheritance: Combination of Turquoise and sex-linked recessive Ino; Turquoise is Dominant in Blue-series. Would the violet still show through the wing/tail feathers? it shouldn't Pic of Turquoise-Ino below: http://parakeet.me/irn/Turq-ino.jpg Don't Dilutes tend to have a s...

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Intresting... are you refering to this bird? http://www.mcw-indianringnecks.com.au/globalaviaries/CarrBirds/pages/34-TurquoiseDilute&DFDominantEdgeTurquoise.htm I think it is simply a DF Turquise. (still odd that violet dissapeared over 2 years ). 2 young chicks from this pair had broken feathe...

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LoL
That is a fabulous result, Congrats!

First time i see Mauves a bunch in a single nest, very nice indeed.

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Thanks Glenn, Some pictures would be great. I am thinking of adding Indigo at a later stage to my breeding program. Reason i was questioning this bird is the loss of the violet color, and if i remember correctly in this forum i read that indigo does do that. I have seen tens of turquoise violet pal...

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i have this bird (see picture below) a Turquoise Violet Pallid Hen which i acctually start to think that it can be an Indigo Violet Pallid. This bird has lost most of it's original violet color it had in the first year, she lost most of the violet color as it can be seen in the picture barely notic...

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I would go for 2 mauves, 1 cobalt and 2 deep blues!?.

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Mtacu, She'll lay eggs when ready, give it a few weeks. Meanwhile try to spend less time with her as it is not the right time to domesticate her . As long as your setup is fine, nestbox etc, they'll do thier thing without need of intervention. As you can see from posts above, they all behave a littl...

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Johan, You said: Her 2011 clutch produced two normal cobalt looking birds (like the cock), and two birds that looked exactly like her. My thinking is that, if it is indeed a combination, we should be more likely to see separate components of the combination in the offspring than multiple chicks wit...

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Hi Carmen,

Beautiful babies and i am also inclined to believe that they are Pallid hens and Pallidino males .
The pallidinos aka Rainbows look really beautiful.

As you know, As far a Clearheaded Fallow you need both parents to be either colored or split in order to produce Cleaheaded Fallows.

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For such a bird knowing the parents is imperative. Firstly as Madas mentioned they have to be both violet cobolt at least My guess is that the breeder just means Double Factor Violet He's calling it perhaps Mauve because it looks so, but not necessarily through genetics As you know a DF Violet Mauv...

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Well said Johan.

i'll read the thread Thanks.

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Just found this on the net. Does anyone want to have a go at this bird and try to figure out why is it so? You'll see in the description that it looks like a cobolt but produces violet looking young. Interesting flight feathers n tail feathers. I do not know the answer and from what i can tell from ...

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It looks like he did pair up a pair that we would be intrested to finding out the offspring of .. See picture .. DF Dark Blue Hen (Mauve) (left) DF Deep Blue Cock (Right) Yes, violet deep blue looks great doesn't it? http://content.breederoo.com/users/RJSParrots/images/photos/gallery/4022301.jpg?1

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All you have to do is ask the breeder what are the parents are of this bird. To be true olive both parents would have to be dark green factor. dark green x Olive or with Cobolt or Mauve combination. A picture how an Olive looks like in this thread: http://www.indianringneck.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f...

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Molossus you said: what if the mauve masks deep blue? It can not be the case with that pair, if you read again above, it says 2 DF birds (one dark one deep ) bred Df young call it Mauve but it could be DF deep blue. A mauve can not breed mauves unless the other bird is dark factor as well. Breeding ...

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Let's talk Deep Blues. These birds are bred here in OzLand by a few breeders. Although single factor birds are darker then European Cobolt in DF: Double Factor Deep Blue is still blue based color as opposed to Greyish with blue tinge known as Mauve. Intrestingly, i have read on another Forum that M...

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