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Hi Martin One additional point and/or question. I have always thought of Dark Blue or Cobalt, as we insist on calling it, as a "dusty" colour in comparison say with Violet Blue. Do you see Deep Blue as having the same "dusty" characteristics as Dark Blue? If it is not a "dus...

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Hi Martin Welcome belatedly to the forum and thank you so much for the excellently presented data on the Deeps. I only have the one that I got from Willy after he presented his proof in the Bird Keeper. I won't breed with her until 2015. She is a Deep TurquoiseBlue split Cleartail. My interest was p...

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Hi All
I haven't paired mine up yet, but they are in mixed flocks and some bonded pairs are displaying and setting up little territories.
kind regards
Mike

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Hi Lee
Thanks very much for the response. I find it particularly difficult because I only have IRNs not alexandrines. Looking forward to a pic of the undertail area in the EmeraldBlue or Emerald Blue
Kind regards
Mike

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Hi Lee I have always hoped that that emerald might be a dominant structural gene, however my breeding results unfortunately point strongly to it being a parblue. To my mind, the outstanding hope/evidence that a structural option was possible has always been the existence of your Emerald Green Alexan...

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Hi Ben Until now I thought you and Willy saw Aaron's chick as 100% proof that emerald was a recessive par blue gene. As I remember it, that proof could only fail if emerald was a dominant gene that produced yellow colour some how. Are you now saying that you can detect emerald in the split parent? I...

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Hi Lee
Would you be kind enough to comment on the undertail yellow colour on your Emerald Green Alexandrines as compared to Wildtype Green undertail colour.
Kind regards
mike

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Hi Ben Last I heard from you on Aaron's Green/emerald was that its chick proved emerald was a par blue. I know the proof didn't work if emerald was a dominant structural gene that produced yellow colour some how, but I hadn't realized you had closely inspected the bird and reversed your view and man...

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Hi Johan From what you say re Lee's Green Alexandrines it would seem clear that there is a mutation at work. The issue still for me is whether or not that mutation is the Emerald gene we see in IRNs. IMO, if it is Emerald, there should be a clear as day marker in the undertail yellow area of the plu...

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Hi Madas et al A most interesting debate for me and I won't attempt to expand on the genetic theory other than to agree with you but I would like to say a couple of things about relevant breeding results. I have been breeding EmeraldBlue Cleartails and, as far as I can see, the emerald gene appears ...

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Hi Lee
Have you had a close look yet at the yellow undertail of your Emerald Alexandrines and compared it with the yellow carried by wildtype birds? Can you post a photo please of the comparison.
Kind regards
Mike

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Hi Sherjil Are these from your IndigoBlue pair? If so, please remember that the "pastel" genes are significantly progressive and you may not see any green in the chicks that carry indigo until the juvenile moult. I have had that problem with TurquoiseBlue chicks and I suspect that it is mo...

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Hi Bridgey I'm not sure how much this will help but here goes. A normal wild type ringneck has an overall distribution of yellow pigment as seen in your lutino birds. Those lutinos carry 2 blue genes each and those genes have in effect removed all black/grey pigment from the feathers to allow the be...

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Excuse my ignorance but what does NT Violet stand for?
Kind regards
Mike

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Hi Madas
Now that really is beautiful to my eye.
Kind regards
Mike

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Hi Ben
Thanks a lot for that, I guess it will worth a try in due course. I think I have seen df dominant pied emerald and it was different again.
Kind regards
Mike

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Can anyone post photos of EmeraldBlue Ino and/or TurquoiseEmerald Ino? Its not a game or a test, I just want to know what they look like in comparison to Lutinos.
Kind regards
Mike

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Hi Chris Thanks for that insight. So presumably, all my TurquoiseBlue Cleartail with a green saddle proves is that the saddle area on the bird is inclined to attract yellow pigmentation in preference to surrounding areas? That is something I am quite happy to accept, I just thought its occurrence wa...

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Hi Gratz Thanks very much for that. So my green saddle is not a saddleback saddle, it would need an additional gene to remove the black pigment from the saddle area, such as dominant pied, to make it a proper "saddleback" with a yellow saddle. It is interesting that the turquoise gene can ...

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Hi all saddleback enthusiasts
At the end of page 3 of this thread I posted 3 pics of a young TurquoiseBlue Cleartail with a well defined "saddle". No other genes involved. Can someone please explain the relevance or lack of it.
Kind regards
Mike

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Hi Gratz I don't know if this will add anything to the discussion, but I have bred a TurquoiseBlue Cleartail this season which currently has a saddle. It is 5 months old and the saddle has appeared recently and I am assuming it will spread with time. If there is any significance at all in this, I wo...

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Hi Johan and Recio Yes Johan I am keeping the pair together, she made the selection in the off season flock and I'm loath to break it up. They are still acting like a pair in the adult flock now and, whilst he does not have as good a tail as i would like, he is nice big bird. Thanks very much for th...

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Hi Shey
I can't see Dark Factor in that colour so my best guess is DF Violet.
Kind regards
Mike

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Hi Johan I haven't done stats since school and that was an awful long time ago. I just used 1/2 for 1 and then multiplied by 1/2 for each subsequent chick which is quite probably completely the wrong way to do it. However, I understand that we do have a further 6 chicks from another TurquoiseEmerald...

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Hi Molossus The green chick is not anything to do with clutch. It is in the photo only to show the clear difference between the yellow tones in Green, TurquoiseEmerald, and EmeraldBlue cleartails. As you can see they are quite obviously different. I use that difference to prove to myself that none o...

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Hi Johan
I would have thought that a modifier could become a new mutation if it was isolated and developed. In some way,s is that not what Janee Salan was meant to have done to develop her recessive "american pieds".
Kind regards
Mike

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Hi Stefan They are definitely Violet TurquoiseBlue Cleartails. I caught them and put them in my photo box with a Violet Cobalt Cleartail cock and a Violet Blue Cleartail hen and they certainly don't carry a dark factor gene. I think it is just the turquoise that makes them appear darker. You can als...

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Hi
Does anyone know why this frustrating forum will post some of my photos but not others?
Kind regards
Mike

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Hi Johan Slightly brighter looking blues in a clutch is something I and others in NSW have seen before, much like your example. I have always assumed it was a result of probably recessive "modifier genes" paired up in one bird but not others. I did have one such bird this season but unfort...

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At the start of the breeding season I got 7 chicks from a TurquoiseEmerald Cleartail hen. I believed that they were probably 5 emeralds and 2 turquoise but I was not sure at the time because pastel was only clearly visible on one of the turquoise chicks and I had no comparators for 2 of the emerald ...

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firstly Mikes bird, are we certain it is an Emerald Green as I am under the impression that it was called an Emerald turquoise blue, having turquoise in the makeup of the bird can we truly see if it is green series or blue series Emerald. Hi Gratz, Mike's bird was called EmeraldTurquoise Cleartail ...

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Hi Yellowring
Just a simple point. It is not necessary to hand feed/raise birds to get them tame. It is entirely possible to tame parent raised birds after they have fledged and in some ways they make better pets than hand raised birds because they are less inclined to bite.
Kind regards
Mike

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Hi Shey I have had a DF Violet hen paired to a Violet Cobalt/cinnamon cock for some years trying to get a DF Violet Cobalt and a range of Violet Cobalt cinnamons. I think i got most of the cinnamons over time but I have found multiple structural gene combos in cinnamon impossible to separate visuall...

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Hi Samtheman A Grey cleartail cock will pass on a recessive blue gene to all its chicks, a recessive cleartail gene to all its chicks and a dominant Grey gene to half its chicks A Green split blue split cleartail hen will pass on a recessive blue gene to half her chicks and a recessive cleartail gen...

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Hi Mike, Firstly i want to Thank you for your efforts. You're a great contributor. Great Pics. I will not attempt to answer your questions regarding the patchiness on TurquoiseEmerald but we could look at a few points/questions below: 1. How much do we know about inter-allelic Parblues phenotype? I...

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Hi Deon & Recio I'm afraid I miss labelled one of the birds in the photographs. The one I labelled Turquoise should read EmeraldBlue. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused, I was having computer problems trying to get pics to a size suitable for the forum and I lost the plot! You can blame o...

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Hi Deon & Recio One additional comment regarding my one year old "EmeraldTurquoise Cleartail" hen. Given the obvious difference between her and the young Green Cleartail cock bird in the comparative photos I submitted, I find it hard to understand how she can be an Emerald Green split ...

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Hi Deon I entered this debate some months ago because I couldn't identify the phenotype of all 7 chicks produced by an EmeraldTurquoise yhyt hen and a Dark Violet Blue whwt cock. As it turned out, the forum was very helpful and the chicks were finally identified as 2 Violet TurquoiseBlue yhwts, 2 Da...

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Hi All
I too would very much like to have Willy back on the forum.
Kind regards
Mike

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Hi Lee
Congratulations! She does look absolutely beautiful and so happy. All the best for Christmas and the new year.
Best wishes
Mike

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Hi Chris
Will do, thanks a lot
Kind regards
Mike

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Hi Recio I learned my avian genetics from a part of a zoological degree course offered by an American uni years ago. It was written by an Alan Mason and has been very helpful to me in setting up my ringneck pairs over the years, but I always thought I remembered loci involving chains of several gene...

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Hi Madas I do understand all of that thank you very much. What I am having trouble with is the the size/length of the "address" on the chromosome pair we define as the blue locus. As I understand it, Recio has just told me that such an address is only the length of a single gene within the...

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Hi Recio Thanks again, I will read the references but I still have one perception problem with what I thought I understood. If I have a simple turquoise bird, I was taught that it has a blue gene on one chromosome and a par blue gene on the other side of the pair, both located at the blue locus. Why...

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Hi Recio I do understand this time thank you very much but what you say is not what I thought I understood from my readings. I always thought that the blue locus was an identical site on a pair of autosomal chromosomes that carried the genetic instructions for the production and distribution of yell...

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Hi Recio Its me again, I have been feeding the birds which gives time for quiet thinking and I think I may have solved one of my definitional understanding problems re alleles and loci. I am still assuming that the b locus, as I understand it, is the site from where instructions for synthesis of yel...

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Hi Recio OK you have lost me right at the start. My obviously incorrect understanding was that the yellow pigment was synthesized as a result of a set of instructions emanating from one site and that site was the blue locus. I then thought that, if any one of the steps involved in the synthesis was ...

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Hi Recio I'm afraid you have me confused and I suspect a lot of others. There are very real definition problems in this arena for me and I suspect a lot of others. It is not that we are necessarily incapable of understanding, it results from multiple writers world wide using both different terms for...

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Hi Johan It does get a bit complicated because the genetic makeup of parent and chick seem to change over time. However, my current understanding is that the parent is Violet Green and carries an emerald gene either split or single factor and the chick is Violet EmeraldBlue or Violet Blue sf emerald...

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Hi Ben I have been trying to persuade you to have a close visual examination done of Aaron's Violet Green split emerald parent, with a view to establishing whether it is a split, as is doubtless most likely the case, or a sf emerald (a remote possibility). I realize that any visual comparison test w...

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