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by Kappa
Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:59 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Misty Babies?
Replies: 4
Views: 2394

Re: Misty Babies?

Hi Rick, Your comment that it could be a a violet grey green made me think of an alternative I didn't consider. The hen could in fact be a grey green, but masking violet. This will still support your results. The updated photos definitely support the fact that the chick is grey green and not violet ...
by Kappa
Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:22 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Misty Babies?
Replies: 4
Views: 2394

Re: Misty Babies?

Hi Rick,

Judging by your breeding results, and the colours of the parents, I believe you have a violet green pallid hen. This explains the violet chick and the other appears to be a violet green misty.

Cheers.
by Kappa
Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:29 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Help understanding Dominant Edged
Replies: 2
Views: 2254

Re: Help understanding Dominant Edged

G'Day Rick, As far as I know, Dominant Edged or Sex - linked dominant edged is the same. Sex- linked because, edged hens will produce only edged cocks. However, edged cocks can produce both. I think that's right . It is also possible to produce df edged birds, but only in cocks. Work done by a numbe...
by Kappa
Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:37 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: PallidIno or Grey-green PallidIno???
Replies: 2
Views: 1943

Re: PallidIno or Grey-green PallidIno???

G'Day Rick, You're right on the money with this bird. I agree that he is a greygreen pallidino, and the pairing proves this. Under normal circumstances a lutino cock can't produce a pallid cock, and a pallid hen can only produce split cocks. The in between lutino and pallid phenotype is all the proo...
by Kappa
Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:24 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Is it a Misty Blue?
Replies: 5
Views: 2813

Re: Is it a Misty Blue?

Hi Rick, I haven't been able to get accurate information regarding the difference between Misty and Khaki. Some breeders feel that they are separate mutations, while others believe that they are the same just called by different names depending on where you live. Then there are others again, who fee...
by Kappa
Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:12 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Is it a Misty Blue?
Replies: 5
Views: 2813

Re: Is it a Misty Blue?

Hi Rick,

Looks like a Khaki. Very nice looking bird. Nice pick up.
by Kappa
Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:44 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Confused about Genetics. Help?
Replies: 6
Views: 2910

Re: Confused about Genetics. Help?

Hi Mokhan65, As the male is Green/lutino (yellow), you are going to be limited as to the colours you can produce. You do still have some options, with colours that are dominant, that will give you other green series colours. You can use grey, violetblue, and DarkBlue. With these you'll produce greyg...
by Kappa
Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:42 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Plz identify the violet mutation
Replies: 3
Views: 2000

Re: Plz identify the violet mutation

Looking at the parents, from the photos, they both appear to be sf violets. All the photos with chicks seem to be taken with flash, which doesn't give a true representation of their colour. Turquoise is not evident in either parent, and therefore the chicks can't be turquoise either. The flash could...
by Kappa
Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:47 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Plz identify the violet mutation
Replies: 3
Views: 2000

Re: Plz identify the violet mutation

The last photo says it all. The 2 chicks with no tails are definitely df violet, and the other is a sf violetblue.
by Kappa
Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:04 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Dark Green vs Deep Green. Comparison photos
Replies: 11
Views: 6597

Re: Dark Green vs Deep Green. Comparison photos

Hi Mike, Good to hear from you. It's a tough call as both Deep and Dark green are surprisingly very similar. The only area which might be described as being brighter is on the covert wing feathers. The Deep has more of a "bluer" wash in this area. It also appears to be more irredesent or r...
by Kappa
Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:49 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Albino Clear Head Clear Tail.
Replies: 1
Views: 1666

Re: Albino Clear Head Clear Tail.

Hi Samuel, Yes it's possible to have albino cleartail. The fact that you have bred both, a male and a female, out of this pair is proof that both the parents are split for recessive ino (non sex-linked ino). Since they are both visual cleartails, the two albino youngsters are genetically albino clea...
by Kappa
Tue May 24, 2016 9:02 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: is he/she an albino?
Replies: 2
Views: 1697

Re: is he/she an albino?

Yes you have an albino. How? Because both parents are also split for blue.

Also the light blue colour you see is normal for for albinos under certain lighting conditions.
by Kappa
Wed May 18, 2016 9:57 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Mutation help?
Replies: 3
Views: 2049

Re: Mutation help?

It looks like you have a cinnamon green sex-linked dominant edged ringneck.
by Kappa
Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:44 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Dark Green vs Deep Green. Comparison photos
Replies: 11
Views: 6597

Re: Dark Green vs Deep Green. Comparison photos

Hi Lee, Photos of the parents might take a little while to get as they are not my birds. What I can tell you is that Martin bred the juvinile Deep green hen out of a Green Cleartail/blue cock and a DF Deep turquoise hen. Due to the fact that there is no known stock of original Deep green birds in ex...
by Kappa
Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:38 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: violet blue prices
Replies: 2
Views: 2124

Re: violet blue prices

Smick, With the way the market is at the moment prices are way down. For the 2015 violetblues you're looking at $100-120, the indigo you might get $80, the turquoise pallidino might get you $80. For the mature pair you might be looking at $220. You never know on the day, if someone is after somethin...
by Kappa
Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:53 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Dark Green vs Deep Green. Comparison photos
Replies: 11
Views: 6597

Dark Green vs Deep Green. Comparison photos

Hi everyone, It has taken a long time to finally be able to take some comparison photos between Deep and Dark in green series. After losing his only Deep green hen, Martin was able to bred a Deep green chick this season. I was able to breed a Dark green chick and this has allowed for us to make accu...
by Kappa
Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:21 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet ID
Replies: 2
Views: 2298

Re: Violet ID

Hi,
Looks like df violet turquoise recessive pied, or turquoise violet cobalt recessive pied.
by Kappa
Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:34 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: deep Violet?
Replies: 4
Views: 3511

Re: deep Violet?

If you pair it to a blue, you'll get sf violetblues and sf violetcobalts. You will not breed any normal blue or dark blue (cobalt )chicks.
by Kappa
Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:31 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: deep Violet?
Replies: 4
Views: 3511

Re: deep Violet?

It looks like a double factor violet cobalt.
by Kappa
Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:14 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Mutation ID
Replies: 1
Views: 1747

Re: Mutation ID

Hi Mike, Grey unfortunately does a great job of masking violet to the point that it's not visually possible to determine if a bird is grey or violet grey. That fact that there is some colour visible on the bird leads me to believe it may in fact be a cobalt grey. In any event, you need to pair her t...
by Kappa
Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:43 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: does anyone else in the world have a jet black beak at 4 ?
Replies: 12
Views: 6584

Re: does anyone else in the world have a jet black beak at 4

Hi Michele, Thank you for posting the photos. You clearly have some very unusual looking birds. I can't exactly comment on what is going on regarding your birds, but suspect this maybe a melanistic mutation, which increases the expresstivity of black, not only in the feathers, but can also affect th...
by Kappa
Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:44 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: does anyone else in the world have a jet black beak at 4 ?
Replies: 12
Views: 6584

Re: does anyone else in the world have a jet black beak at 4

Hi Michele,
Could you post some photos of your hen with the black beak, your special blue cock and the odd coloured chick.
Thanks .
by Kappa
Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:38 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Black Indian Ringneck?
Replies: 6
Views: 3637

Re: Black Indian Ringneck?

Hi Michele,
If possible, some photos of this black ringneck might shed more light on what your friend might have.
by Kappa
Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:27 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Help I have no idea what I have
Replies: 2
Views: 1856

Re: Help I have no idea what I have

It is possible to produce these results from the parent birds you have mentioned. Since you are dealing with green series birds, some of the parent birds are split for blue, ino and some are split for turquiose.
by Kappa
Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:54 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Platinum or Pallid?
Replies: 14
Views: 7983

Re: Platinum or Pallid?

Thanks Lee :D
by Kappa
Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:17 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Platinum or Pallid?
Replies: 14
Views: 7983

Re: Platinum or Pallid?

Updated photos. As the photos show, very close to the lutino phenotype, but just that subtle green tint which highlights the yellow head.. It will be interesting to see if the green tint darkens as they mature. I agree Lee, input from those who have had experience with Platiunum would be invaluable....
by Kappa
Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:07 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Platinum or Pallid?
Replies: 14
Views: 7983

Re: Platinum or Pallid?

Sorry Lee, I misunderstood your post. Pallidino hens, why not. I like to think outside of the box. Besides, I know of breeding results from other breeders which have not followed the theoretically accepted breeding principles. It is why I like to keep an open mind, and accept that these anomalies pr...
by Kappa
Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:35 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Platinum or Pallid?
Replies: 14
Views: 7983

Re: Platinum or Pallid?

Hi Lee,

I think that'll be the only logical thing to do, in order to know one way or another. Your probably right, they could be nothing more than poorly coloured pallids. :D
by Kappa
Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:27 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Platinum or Pallid?
Replies: 14
Views: 7983

Re: Platinum or Pallid?

Hi Recio, I have had this cock for two seasons and was unsure of his genetic back ground. I have bred him with two different hens. First hen in 2014 was a blue and they had 4 chicks. 3 green and 1 red eyed which died at about day 2. This allowed me to identify that he is split for a SL mutation, but...
by Kappa
Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:27 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Platinum or Pallid?
Replies: 14
Views: 7983

Re: Platinum or Pallid?

Yes, I agree, if they were cocks. As they are hens the question remains. :D
by Kappa
Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:22 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Platinum or Pallid?
Replies: 14
Views: 7983

Platinum or Pallid?

Hi everyone, This season I bred 2 odd looking chicks. From hatching and up until 3 and a half weeks of age they appeared in every way as being normal lutinos, red eyes, pink feet, everything you'd expect. It wasn't until some colour showed up that I noticed the difference. The colour of the growing ...
by Kappa
Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:10 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 89517

Re: Deep

Hi Mike,
Nice effort. Looking forward to seeing the Deep Turquoiseblue CT.
by Kappa
Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:03 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 89517

Re: Deep

Nice reference photo Shey, really shows the richness of his colour.

Mike, fingers crossed you have a deep green in the clutch.
by Kappa
Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:14 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 89517

Re: Deep

Hi Madas,

Any chance of posting the photos of Mr. Ehrenbrink. :D

Cheers.
by Kappa
Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:06 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 89517

Re: Deep

Hi Paul, Now that you mentioned it I remember the article about Peter Russell's bird. A cobalt looking violet hen. So if this a genuine violet variant, Shey's young cock might actually be a violet cobalt, but of the lighter violet variation. Which is why it looks different. Shey, in any event, has s...
by Kappa
Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:54 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 89517

Re: Deep

Sorry Shey, I missed your post. Going by that photo I'd never say that cock was violet blue. He looks like a cobalt. Is your suspicion correct, and he may be a Deep? Did the previous owner, know genetically, that it was a violet, or just called it violet because it was different to blue? Pity you do...
by Kappa
Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:50 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 89517

Re: Deep

Hi Paul, Do you know of anyone that might still have original Swales Olive blood lines? I have not been able to find anyone who has them. I've been told that many breeders lost interest in them as none of Gavin's birds were split for blue, but many of the cocks were split lutino as that was the only...
by Kappa
Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:40 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 89517

Re: Deep

Hi Shey, Good to hear from you. That's a very nice bird you have there. He had some nice depth of colour about him. Certainly hard to pick, but definitely dark and as you say possibly something more. I don't think violet is involved here. What is his background? You definitely have to do some more w...
by Kappa
Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:34 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 89517

Re: Deep

Hi Mike, You maybe able to help more than you realise. Now that Martin lost the only mature verified Deep green hen, we are back to step 1 in regards to, not only trying to establish a phenotype we can use as a standard, but also work towards producing a df deep green. Martin and I were hoping we wo...
by Kappa
Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:30 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 89517

Re: Deep

Madas, This is the best I could do for now. Rising 2yr old cock. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b583/Kappa1975/image.jpg2_zpsfry55zak.jpg http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b583/Kappa1975/image.jpg1_zpsrzplaswq.jpg VioletBlue 1yr old hen. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b583/Kappa1975/imag...
by Kappa
Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:42 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 89517

Re: Deep

Hi Madas, I have a small number of birds, 6 to be exact, that originate from a cock bird that is better known as a Swales olive. Gavin Swales worked with these green birds for years and bred a number of them in df and called them olives. The Deep blues were eventually bred from these green birds. Ho...
by Kappa
Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:40 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 89517

Re: Deep

Hi Mike, I agree with you, and I also accept all of Willy's findings. However, from my experience, I believe that there is a small percentage of Deeps that are combined with another mutation. We are all aware of the surprises that have arisen out of birds coming from the Smiths collection, so we can...
by Kappa
Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:50 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 89517

Re: Deep

Hi Paul, This thought process was the norm in the past, where people adopted the view that the Deep mutation was nothing more than an inferior coloured cobalt. Breeders weren't willing to accept the Deep as an independent mutation, and as a result it's development has suffered. Nevertheless, the sma...
by Kappa
Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:40 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: cinnamon cleartail
Replies: 4
Views: 4182

Re: cleartail sf grey

Pambos, It would be a good idea to try and trace the genetic heritage of the cock and the hen. This will help you answer the questions you have regarding your breeding results. Based on the information you have supplied we can establish that the cock is split Cinnamon and ino. For the chick to be a ...
by Kappa
Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:20 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: help working out mutations
Replies: 1
Views: 1891

Re: help working out mutations

You need to have them sexed as this will vary your breeding outcomes. You also need to know if the green and grey are split for other mutations, as this will also give variations to your breeding results. Basically you can expect greens, greys and blues. However, depending on the albino's sex and th...
by Kappa
Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:58 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What mutation?
Replies: 1
Views: 1784

Re: What mutation?

Hi,
Just looks like a Cinnamon Blue going through a moult. They tend to fade during the summer and their colour can change a lot.
by Kappa
Mon May 11, 2015 6:58 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?
Replies: 27
Views: 27396

Re: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?

Ben,

Curious what makes you think that Misty is not the right fit?
by Kappa
Sun May 10, 2015 12:36 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?
Replies: 27
Views: 27396

Re: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?

Ben, The mauve hen doesn't carry violet. However, I forgot to mention the Deep Kahki hen is split for Turquoise, so no blue chicks unfortunately. I agree with you 100% that the identification will be a task. :D. No selling off green chicks this season :lol:. I am planning to do further tests under u...
by Kappa
Sat May 09, 2015 7:04 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?
Replies: 27
Views: 27396

Re: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?

Ben, I have been planning a similar path to what you have proposed. I have purchased a young mavue hen with the intention of pairing her to my green cock, she is however a late season hatch, and I don't want to risk missing a season with him if she fails to go down. This pairing will happen in the 2...
by Kappa
Fri May 08, 2015 3:45 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?
Replies: 27
Views: 27396

Re: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?

Hi Ben, Good to hear from you. Your thoughts on Khaki are very interesting. As you are aware I made made some comments in the past about the possibility of Deep and Misty combos existing in aviaries. Whether it's Misty or Khaki (are the same mutation?) I am in total support of your opinion. I have a...