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the breeding results I was refering to was from the eggs laid in August last year.(2014)
would be interesting to see your and Phill's results

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So a year has passed since this post and no update on the breeding results?.
by the way Chris I do have Dr Deon's book and it is amusing that Dr Deon himself has labeled the father of my bird as the Blue Saddleback.
But don't be concerned as I am not claiming that I have a saddleback.

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Ok
the pic I posted is a Dom pied (mother pastel violet pied , Father deep blue)
ie only one pied needed to reproduce pieds
hope this helps
regards
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Hi Shoshan
is her head anything like this?
regards
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Hi Mike From what I have seen and read so far, all the Saddlebacks have a bright yellow saddle, Also the read that the saddle has nothing to do with the actual saddleback mutation but then I also read that they start with nothing , get a saddle at the first moult , then the saddle spreads over the w...

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Hi Chris

by now we all know that this bird is only a DF Harlequin.

I wonder if the cleartail explains the head not staying blue being a cock bird going white with maturity.

my trusted friend he guaranteed it as a Clearwing Cleartail

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my guess would be
DF Violet SF Dark

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I would have said
bird 1 SA Deep and bird 2 misty violet
but yes without them side by side it would be very difficult to tell, they both look like deep blue

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Hi Mike I think we are learning a lot more now about the Emeralds. I and a few other forum members now now that it is a fact that the Emeralds get darker and true to colour as they mature. I also think that you will find that your young emeralds will start to show a yellowish tinge on the underside ...

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Ben,Johan I spoke to the owner of these birds again. One of the 3 birds pictured is definitely bred by the birds( labeled as the parents) they are definitely cobalt. Weather Deep or Dark is unknown( perhaps one Deep and the other Dark) My thoughts were that is was very difficult to distinguish the d...

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Ben

thanks will try to get a short video clip

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Hi Madas
please keep in mind that these are not my birds
i have been told that the birds are in this order in the very first pic
left to right
DF Deep,SF Violetblue, and SF Deep Violetblue
the same order in the second pic PS This pic shows the different colours a little better

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I have some new photos of the DF Deep Unfortunately it is not with the SF Deep In the photo there are 3 birds DF Deep , Deep Violet blue , and a SF violet ps some pics were taken in sunlight and some in shade and it makes the birds look very different and as most of our forum members have been told ...

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hi Ben
he is only rising 2yo born 2012
will have a go this year hopefully he is up to it:lol:

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hi
for those interested here is what the bird that started this thread looks like now
[URL=http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/ ... .jpg[/img][/url]

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Ben
I zoomed in
That's me

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Thanks Ben thought i would add a pic from 2011 , amongst the babies are the cobalt (father of the DF Deep blue) and the violet cobalt ( mother of the deep violet blue) ps these birds are not paired together the cobalt is paired to a cobalt from M G [URL=http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/Allpetsaviar...

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I'm happy for you
I also think that your wife must have read my post

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That's 3 males so far

Johan just got in before me
Make it 4 now

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Hi Ben Thanks very much for your thoughts/ reply There is no violet in the pairing in the photo , the parents of these birds are both cobalt, the darker bird was the one that made the breeder assume that the parents were in fact both SF Deep blue. The violet cobalt in question was bred from the sist...

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hello Madas and Molossus The only photos I have are of the parents with the 2 Deep blues SF and DF the birds are in moult at the moment so the breeder prefers me not to take photos of them at the moment,I will have to wait till around March [URL=http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/Allpetsaviaries/medi...

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Hi Ben
Yes I agree
He should get a bigger clutch this year as they will be rising 3yo
Ps the bird in question that is being advertised is a Violet Cobalt bred from one of the parents of the hopefully DF Deep blue.
I will put your suggestion forward to him

Thanks

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Hi Ben and Shey Thanks for both of your responses Ben 1 is from MG the other isn't They may well be Deep blue and I hope that they are both deep blue Shey thanks for your answer as I wasn't sure if a bird carrying the deep and dark gene would only produce a SF deep and a SF dark or blue as well ,we ...

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Hello all Forum members,I need help and ideas to solve a problem, here it is A friend of mine purchased a cobalt from Victoria Australia believed to be a deep blue ( Aussie cobalt) He then purchased a cobalt from me which I bred from what I have been told was also a deep blue ( Aussie cobalt) . 2 ye...

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Hi Ben
If you just posted the first pic I would have said do a DNA it looks like a cock bird , but then I looked at the second pic and I would say your bird is a hen
So I'm sticking to HEN
Johan I need your help on this one

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if she is that determined
I would let her breed

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Hi Here is another idea for you If the birds are pets and you don't want them to breed , ever, Why not take the nest box away all together with the eggs in it, she doesnt need the practice if you don't intend to Breed with her again, personally I think it's a bit cruel to have her sit on dud eggs fo...

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Hello Mike I hope you dodnt mind , I played around with paint.net with your photo and got some very interesting results, take a look [URL=http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/Allpetsaviaries/media/gearymod_zpsvmmwippe.jpg.html][img]http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a501/Allpetsaviaries/gearymod_zpsvm...

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Hello

looks like you have a Turquoise blue Pallid

enjoy

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Deon and Recio thanks for all this very helpful information Deon, I will ask this person if he will allow me to see the birds under a uv light,I hope he will and I will and I will post the results,once again thank you for sharing that information. Deon is there a specific type of UV I need to look f...

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Hi Recio thank you for your explanation below i present 2 photos one of the young birds an Emerald and a blue, differance is clearly visable, in the other photo is the mother same photo but left the mother out of the first photo so you could see that the Emerald looks Green next to the blue, Then co...

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Recio firstly let me thank you for sharing your results A few things have come to my mind reading your results, firstly Mikes bird, are we certain it is an Emerald Green as I am under the impression that it was called an Emerald turquoise blue, having turquoise in the makeup of the bird can we truly...

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Ben,

Is that a DF Deep blue and a SF Deep blue (Saphire ?? Can't tell if Saphire at that age) but when you say these birds will change considerably over time I'm guessing one or both birds in the previous pic could be Saphire

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Mmmm Could it be a Saphire Violetblue and a Saphire deep blue ????? Ben not sure if there is a visual difference between deep blue and dark blue Im thinking not even if they are side by side , Do you know or have you seen a comparison between deep and dark blue ? I know you can tell in DF but not su...

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Ben

Is that a Saphire ?

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Well done Johan we are on top of the class at the moment

I'm starting to think that there is a normal blue in the photo next to the dark or deep blue

How are we going Ben ?

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We must be getting close lol
Here we go L to R
Violet blue, DF deep blue, deep blue, and deep violet blue
Male, male, female , ????behind ring, female

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hello again I have been thinking about the Turquoise Emerald and it reminds me of a Violet Cobalt my reasoning for this is with pairing a Violet Cobalt to a Blue we breed . Blue, Violet and Cobalt NO Violet cobalt from what I have been reading the Turquoise emerald to a blue produced either Emerald ...

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Here is my interpretation of this scenario, please remember at this point we know nothing about genetics feather structur etc, we are on a dull island Ok we have 2 colours in our birds , visually , grey and blue . We paired up two blue birds and all we breed is blue babies We paired a grey and a blu...

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Recio First of all , thank you Secondly Yes , you know what I mean and you are able to translate it much better than I can as I do admit I am not the best at describing what I mean in scientific terms,but I tell after this Emerald post I have learnt a lot thanks to all you gurus on this forum. So Re...

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Willy

Thanks for answering my questions

Regards
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Hello again I have been reading and thinking , (Recio yes it was me that said what if green masks Emerald) what if different colours react differently with eachother like grey masks violet but grey and Emerald produce Emerald grey and if green masks Emerald but green and violet produce violet green ...

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babies are out of the nest, the Emerald baby is identical in colour as its mother ie green flights when I put the babies in the same aviary I will take a photo of the Emerald next to the Turquoise blue [img http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a501/Allpetsaviaries/20131112_093320_zps31d1ed61.jpg ][/i...

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Just had a look at Bastiaan's book (page 51 Aqua)

Could it be that that Aqua does exist and is not Emerald?

Regards
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http://parakeet.me/irn/f/gratz.jpg Hi Chris This is the only photo I have of the bird when it fledged. Chris, and everyone reading this I will point out that I never stated that my bird is a Saddleback, I did mention that I purchased the bird as a Turquoise Blue Dom Pied, The question I was asking ...

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Skye
That is correct

Thanks
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Hi Ben

yes I know what you are saying
I guess the photo where the bird is bright green is like taking a pic with a giant flash, the birds were in the sunlight

Cheers
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Best I could do this morning
1st photo
Group shot with Emerald on one end and Turquoise blue on the other
2nd photo
Turquoise Blue and Emerald
3rd photo
Turquoise Blue Cleartail
4th photo
Young Turquoise Blue

Willy
that is the young turquoise blue

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Willy Point taken I understand what you are saying Ps I rushed in those pics before I went to work and the Emerald wouldn't let me take a good close up, When time allows I will try to take better shots of the birds at the same angle, ps the point I was trying to make is that the flights on the Emera...

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There is no trick
One photo was taken in the day time on a sunny day and the others taken this morning early with overcast conditions , surely you can see the difference between the emerald and the turquoise blue in the group photo 1st pic and the 2nd pic
The other photos are of turquoise blue

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