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by Johan S
Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:14 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: does anyone else in the world have a jet black beak at 4 ?
Replies: 12
Views: 1954

Re: does anyone else in the world have a jet black beak at 4

There are two breeders in SA that I know of with black beaked IRNs. They seem to be able to produce offspring with darker beaks as well, but very little information is available yet.
by Johan S
Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:07 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Biallelic expresion
Replies: 27
Views: 4383

Re: Biallelic expresion

Hi Mike, wonderful pictures, thank you! Here I suppose the use of a word 'smooth' is in the eye of the beholder. When considering the back view of your TurquoiseEmerald Cleartail hen, I would not call the psittacin phenotype on the wings to be 'smooth'. I can definitely see a difference in the colou...
by Johan S
Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:06 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: mutation indigo
Replies: 8
Views: 1668

Re: mutation indigo

Oom Buks, Mike is correct in saying that psittacin is a yellow pigment. When looking at a feather under a microscope, the green colour splits up into two regions, the underlying feather structure shows a blue colour, and deposited on top of that you see yellow granules. When we zoom out our eyes are...
by Johan S
Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:39 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Biallelic expresion
Replies: 27
Views: 4383

Re: Biallelic expresion

Hi Johan I do like "flies in the ointment" it helps keep us all precise about what we report. In my case, with my TurquoiseEmerald Cleartail hen, when I was reporting a smooth expression of psitticins I must admit I was focused on her smooth pale yellow underside. That underside is very different f...
by Johan S
Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:47 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Biallelic expresion
Replies: 27
Views: 4383

Re: Biallelic expresion

Hi everybody, I have noticed that there are a lot of wrong ideas in basic concepts as what a dominant or a recessif mutation are. Ex: when people says that Green is dominant respective to Blue they think that somehow Green does not allow Blue to be expressed, or that Green "down regulates" Blue exp...
by Johan S
Tue May 12, 2015 3:03 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?
Replies: 27
Views: 3063

Re: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?

This phenotype explains why SB owners never saw Turquoise bred from SBs. They never kept the non pied long enough (3 months) for Psittacin to appear , hence believing no Turquoise at all. Very plausible. I have a DF misty hen bred by Dr Deon that we caught out and handled end of December when my wi...
by Johan S
Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:07 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Underwing patch
Replies: 34
Views: 3766

Re: Underwing patch

The underwing patch is solid proof Saddlebacks are NOT a Turquoise mutation , Therefore it also would indicate they must be another type par blue ? But didn't everybody agree on this already? Most of the disagreement was based on the observation that you never bred a plain saddle type parblue witho...
by Johan S
Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:13 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Dark and Blue linkage rate in IRN
Replies: 3
Views: 875

Re: Dark and Blue linkage rate in IRN

Hi Recio, from what I've seen and heard in IRN, the crossover of dark and blue is rather difficult and therefore the region of 15% sounds reasonable to me. I don't know if anybody has crunched the numbers though. The white eye ring group of lovebirds also has a dark and blue factor. Unfortunately, a...
by Johan S
Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:14 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: The saddle is back
Replies: 35
Views: 5022

Re: The saddle is back

Mikesringnecks wrote:I have never studied the second blue locus concept found in budgies.
Hi Mike, there isn't a second blue locus in budgies. Both the two different blue genes are at the same locus, i.e. they are alleles.
by Johan S
Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:44 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Underwing patch
Replies: 34
Views: 3766

Re: Underwing patch

Chris, you mention the word supposed, so I propose we completely move away from hearsay and focus only on your and Babu's results. You propose that SB acts on yellow pigment (psittacin) as can be seen in the underwing, yet Babu presented a green SB that acted on blue pigment (melanin) on the saddle....
by Johan S
Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:31 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Underwing patch
Replies: 34
Views: 3766

Re: Underwing patch

Gentlemen, I find this discussion very interesting, however the owners of these birds are spreading a lot of confusion. Chris refers to SBs as a mutation showing a yellow underwing marker, therefore a mutation acting on psittacin and akin to parblue, but definitely not turquoise. Babu showed a green...
by Johan S
Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:48 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Mistyerious clutch
Replies: 9
Views: 2563

Re: Mistyerious clutch

Hi Kappa, the deep violet will be darker than the violet you compare with the true violet chick, so my guess is definitely towards something like misty. The greyish overtone in the main tail feather also hints at this. Have you ever produced a normal chick from this cock bird? I'm curious, seeing as...
by Johan S
Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:56 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Thanks Mike. We can say with high certainty that we are dealing with allelic mutations.
by Johan S
Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:47 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Thanks for the feedback, Mike. Much appreciated.
by Johan S
Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:23 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Wat mutation is this?
Replies: 11
Views: 2742

Re: Wat mutation is this?

That looks like an adm (recessive) pied. They get that white cap.
by Johan S
Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:21 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Green?
Replies: 33
Views: 4522

Re: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Gree

Those are very good looking, healthy youngsters. Looks like fantastic parents.
by Johan S
Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:02 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: recessive pied violet green/blue
Replies: 4
Views: 1327

Re: recessive pied violet green/blue

I wouldn't pair them together, but rather use two extra birds from the blue series. My choice would be a cobalt violet and a mauve. The other breeder is misinformed, you do get recessive pieds in cobalt.
by Johan S
Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:29 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

That's great news, Shey. Would be interesting to see what they produce.
by Johan S
Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:45 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Green?
Replies: 33
Views: 4522

Re: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Gree

Thankyou Johan :) Do you know if she would be considered as T1? What mutations do the parents carry? Hi Johan, sire is a Violet(sf) Dark(sf) Blue, and dam is a Green Cinnamon SL Edged In that case, Kappa got it right. (Very) Roughly 4/5 dark green offspring will be T2 and ready to breed high percen...
by Johan S
Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:00 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Thanks Mike. I'm holding thumbs that you have better success the second time around. :D
by Johan S
Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:49 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Thanks for the pictures, Mike. Can you see any difference in skin colour/tone in the chicks in real life?
by Johan S
Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:44 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Nest box size and shape?
Replies: 4
Views: 3871

Re: Nest box size and shape?

David, I prefer the L shaped box, but have had equal success in both.
by Johan S
Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:43 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Wat mutation is this?
Replies: 11
Views: 2742

Re: Wat mutation is this?

Hi Oom Buks,

I think Shey is right, that isn't a DF misty cock, but rather a cinnamon blue (skyblue is the old name).
by Johan S
Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:37 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Green?
Replies: 33
Views: 4522

Re: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Gree

sheyd wrote:Thankyou Johan :)

Do you know if she would be considered as T1?
What mutations do the parents carry?
by Johan S
Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:15 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Hi Johan; Can you please share side by side snap of Blue1Blue1 and Blue2Blue2 budgies ? Br/Sherjil Hi Sherjil, unfortunately I don't. Will have to Google it. Hi Johan I'm afraid I don't really know anything about regulation of enzyme production, I'll have to find a reference somewhere. As to Blue1 ...
by Johan S
Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:52 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Hi Recio I have been thinking again. I agree with you that the possibility of a close linkage between Emerald and Blue would effectively negate the chance of proving EmeraldBlue by breeding my TurquoiseEmerald hen with a BlueBlue cock. However, as I have said before, surely anything other than Emer...
by Johan S
Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:45 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

The whole thread is beyond me... but I've been thinking.... If SL Edged and Cinnamon were alleles on the same locus, then could a bird that was carrying both (mutations) pass on both at once to its offspring? Shey, no. One parent can only pass one of the two alleles to a specific offspring. Of cour...
by Johan S
Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:32 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

ALL Blue series birds CARRY Emerald How many birds are we talking about, Ben? Granted, I think we are looking at an allele of the blue locus. Is that sufficient to classify it as a parblue? I think the answer is no. Hi everybody; First we must define what we are meaning with the word "parblue": Is ...
by Johan S
Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:16 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4414

Re: What am i? (again)

madas wrote:I will ask for the sexing results.

greetings.

madas
Hen. :D
by Johan S
Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:12 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Ring0Neck wrote:ALL Blue series birds CARRY Emerald
How many birds are we talking about, Ben?

Granted, I think we are looking at an allele of the blue locus. Is that sufficient to classify it as a parblue? I think the answer is no.
by Johan S
Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:17 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

May i ask: what do you wanted to see? ;) madas Patience Mr Eagle Eyes. :D Johan, Here's the pic you wanted. 11 days old & younger ; Emerald clutch. http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_1615s1.jpg Thanks Ben. Now let's wait and see how many emeralds there are. Hi Johan When/if the EmeraldTurquoise Cleart...
by Johan S
Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:10 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 4118

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Hm, but even a pallidIno is lighter in phenotype which is a combo of two alleles from the same locus and is expressing a blended phenotype of both mutations. So i would have assumed that a combo cinnamon and ino which aren't alleles of the same locus but closely linked would express the same color ...
by Johan S
Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:44 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Thanks Ben. Unfortunately, these ones are already too old for what I want to see.
by Johan S
Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:43 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

Madas, you are right. I didn't think that through properly. :oops:
by Johan S
Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:39 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 4118

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Madas, if I recall, this bird of Tienie was test bred to confirm genotype. I don't recall the details, but Tienie can confirm.

PS: you beat me to uploading the picture. :lol:
by Johan S
Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:14 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

About the SL-Edged-Cinnamon female ... Hi Recio, it wasn't my assumption, but yours a few posts back. So I went with that. But now I'm confused. Would you like us to assume allelic interaction, or not? If we go with a SL Edged-Cinnamon female (crossed over, different mutations), I'd still pair her ...
by Johan S
Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:58 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 4118

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Recio, Cinnamon-SLIno birds are born as ino's. It is only as they mature that the light green shade starts coming through.
by Johan S
Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:52 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Mike, I'm more curious about the chicks under normal light than UV prior to feather growth. There is no psittacin in the skin, so I don't think we'll see anything special under UV.
by Johan S
Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:39 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 4118

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Hi Johan and Ben, Violet enhances optically the residual melanin and the bird appears with marked primary wing feathers. Body colour is ligth green yellow. I know that clearhead fallow is at work because of the eye. I knew that the male was split clearhead fallow but I knew nothing about possible s...
by Johan S
Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

About the SL-Edged-Cinnamon female ... I have been looking for possible breeding stratégies with this female to make the difference between both hypothesis (SL-Edged and Cinnamon as different allèles or mutations) and I can not find a single one producing different phenotypic results depending on t...
by Johan S
Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:49 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 4118

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Recio, how does the SLIno-cinnamon CHF violet look? Do you have a picture? I'm curious, when working from SLIno-cinnamon, how one can positively identify CHF in that combo (is the eye affected and CHF like?), as well as how violet is identified? :?: The odds of breeding such a bird is low as you rig...
by Johan S
Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:59 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

Thanks Tienie.

From the above picture, to me the dominance looks like cinnamon > SL Edged.
by Johan S
Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:12 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Recio, Et alii, Looking at Green Cheek Conures, Wildtype has a red tail however once you add Turquoise tail becomes grey/silver. Thought: should we move away from Parblue when it comes to trying to get pink/red in IRNs? Turquoise could act as an inhibitor of red :? Ben, I think what also plays a ro...
by Johan S
Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:47 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

Notice the light feet of the cobalt sf sl edged-cinnamon Tienie @Shey, finally a quality picture that shows what we've often discussed. :D @Tienie, I also suspect that we'll see a difference in the colour of the main tail feathers between the two birds, with the cinnamon one being slightly lighter....
by Johan S
Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:42 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

Hi Recio, All this means that Cinnamon and Edged are not alleles of the same gene, without any further doubt. I can happily live with this conclusion... :D So with the present results it seems that what was unlike could be "the truth", and the order of the mutations in the sexual chromossomes would ...
by Johan S
Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:41 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

I have a request: Would breeders with clutches from a parent carrying emerald please take and upload pictures of the offspring, esp. in the first few weeks before pinning? It will be much appreciated. Thanks! :)
by Johan S
Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:30 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Mikesringnecks wrote:Having said that, my EmeraldTurquoise Cleartail hen has 5 chicks under fosters and another clutch on the way so, including 2 Turquoise and 5 Emerald from last season, I will have an awful lot of offspring to test the par blue proposition.
Kind regards
Mike
Fantastic news! Congrats Mike. :D
by Johan S
Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:29 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

PS: I have not ventured into the territory of male birds. I feel the females already tell the story. :) ... but Johan, do you still believe in females stories? :lol: Let's see: Hi Recio, pressed for time so will go into your response later. For now, consider this (since you want to talk about males...
by Johan S
Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:35 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

Recio, Tienie does mention a phenotypic difference in younger birds. You just need to read a little further in that topic where Tienie writes: It isn’t easy to distinguish between Cinnamon-edged and edged females although it is easier between sf cinnamon-edged and sf edged males. Cinnamon-edged fema...
by Johan S
Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:05 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

Recio, considering only females, there are three phenotypes, a) a hen with red to plum coloured eyes when young (cinnamon), and two distinct edged phenotypes, b) a dark eyed hen with diluted, but smooth appearance of melanin in the wing coverts, and c) a dark eyed hen with diluted and irregular (pat...
by Johan S
Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:13 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Egg Incubation Timing Question
Replies: 2
Views: 512

Re: Egg Incubation Timing Question

Hi All, I have a couple of questions to ask about egg incubation: 1) If I moved eggs that are laid 7 days earlier from one nest to another, would the hen know by smell that these are not her eggs? 2) Due to the eggs being 7 days earlier than hers and the chicks being born earlier will the hen know ...
by Johan S
Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:02 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 4117

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

madas wrote:
Recio wrote:confirmation from Intel
Thought Intel is making computer CPUs. Are they dealing with birds genetic too? :D :P

madas
Oh, you clever, naughty boy! :lol: :lol:
by Johan S
Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:33 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 4117

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

Ah, that clarifies what you meant by complex. I thought you meant "difficult". :oops:

Thanks for the confirmation on the slate, so we know that the basic order is correct and the approximate distances between the loci further apart.
by Johan S
Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:32 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 4117

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

Slate can not be located "to the other side" because 0.680 + 0.464 > 1, which is not possible. Thus Slate would be the first locus, followed by the complex SL-Edge (also in budgies?), Cinnamon, SL-Ino (we do not know which one is before the other), and further away to the other side is the Opaline ...
by Johan S
Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:50 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 4117

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

.... and what about Slate? Any study of recombination respective to other SL mutations? Regards Recio Not for IRN. I'm not aware of the existence of the mutation (yet). I only know of it in the budgie, but maybe it has popped up in another species. I do believe that those numbers have been roughly ...
by Johan S
Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:30 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: **** URGENT ALL South African Breeders ****
Replies: 71
Views: 20299

Re: **** URGENT ALL South African Breeders ****

Wessel, you can either join a regional club (like Diamantveld in the Kimberley region), or a national club like the Parrot Breeders Association of SA or the South African Asiatic Parakeet & Parrot Breeders Association (old Ringnektelersvereniging). I'm not sure yet how the Dept. of Environmental Aff...
by Johan S
Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:34 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 4117

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

Recio, I agree. That is a very reasonable summary of the possibilities.
by Johan S
Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:09 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 4117

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

So to rule out these possibilities you have to test breed a mutated male to a non mutated female. If Nigel is still getting mutated females from such a pair then we could deal with to distinct cinnamon mutations or even alleles. madas Madas, I don't think that is the best approach to solving the my...
by Johan S
Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:12 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 4117

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

Hi Johan, ... PS (post edited): I have just had a closer look at the Cinnamon SL-Ino Violet green bird. You are rigth Johan: there is not a lacewing pattern with more melanin on the outer part of the feathers, but rather the opposite: a bit less melanin in the outer part of the feathers producing a...
by Johan S
Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:03 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 4117

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

Hi Recio, as always, a very welcome experience engaging with you (why are you so scarce these days?). You have some trouble with cinnamon-pallid, so let me try to address some of your points and maybe I can put your mind to ease. :D 1. These birds all have light nails on my computer. Nothing darker ...
by Johan S
Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:21 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 4117

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

Nigel, I'd say birds 1 and 3 are cinnamon, and 2 and 4 are cinnamon-pallid crossovers. Stunning pictures, as usual. :D
by Johan S
Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:19 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Any ideas on what this is.
Replies: 20
Views: 2746

Re: Any ideas on what this is.

BuksV wrote:I have collected 26 pairs of Ringnecks witch varies from Yelow to ADM.Pieds, Cleartails and Opalines.
and the colours vary from Green Cleartails to DF Violet cleartails and ADM.Pieds from green to Turq Mauve and Violet split for ADM.Pieds.
Those are some really nice birds! :mrgreen:
by Johan S
Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:12 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

Stunning. :D
by Johan S
Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:08 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Any ideas on what this is.
Replies: 20
Views: 2746

Re: Any ideas on what this is.

Send me your contact details as a private message by clicking the PM button below my post and I'll forward you some contact details.

Also, as a new member, why don't you introduce yourself and tell us about your mutations? :D
by Johan S
Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:05 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Any ideas on what this is.
Replies: 20
Views: 2746

Re: Any ideas on what this is.

Hi BuksV,

if the amount of yellow increase with each moult, it sounds like progressive pieds. It also sounds as if you might be from SA, so you could consider talking to Henry Ford, who has been working with progressives for many years.
by Johan S
Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:47 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

Ben, I didn't realise you had an edged bird with an emerald gene. Can you post a picture, please? :D
by Johan S
Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:43 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Ring0Neck wrote:is that not a marker you and madas pointed out to? a "darker: head V not as "dark". other than that the 2 birds are identical in real life to my eyes.
If by this you mean that opaline features improve with age, then definitely.
by Johan S
Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:41 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4414

Re: What am i? (again)

Hi Madas, like you suggest, probably a pallid (the light grey flights are very distinct, and it certainly looks to be a hen), in cobalt violet indigo(df?). The beak colour looks really off on this chick (light pink), and a lot of juvenile barring in the psitacin deposition. I suspect this bird might...
by Johan S
Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:27 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

I can also say that i've seen young pied opaline that showed no dark head when young, at all. A statement to be careful of, because it sounds like you expect a darker head colour for the opaline than the non-opaline bird. One needs to understand that opaline does not make the wildtype head darker. ...
by Johan S
Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:09 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Celebrating our first ever egg
Replies: 7
Views: 898

Re: Celebrating our first ever egg

Congrats! Love them eggs. :D

A tip: include more nesting material. One day your hen might just get a fright and next thing you know, your precious egg is cracked or broken. :(
by Johan S
Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:48 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

Very nice, madas! I think we might be looking at the same combination of structural mutations on both green and blue birds, but I'm having a hard time interpreting the colour on my PC screen. Seems a bit blue. What are your thoughts on the colour? Both dark(sf) violet(sf)?
by Johan S
Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:09 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Ben, that's the thought and could be the reason, unless mauve doesn't display the markers as well... Then we'll go about our usual business of out of the box thinking. Will have to wait and see. :D
by Johan S
Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:29 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

madas wrote:Any findings on the fact that grey combined with opaline produces the best opalines regarding the opaline markers???
Excellent question. I've been wondering about this too. Trying to produce a mauve opaline to compare with the grey opaline, but haven't had luck yet. Hoping this is my season. :D
by Johan S
Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:08 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Which are the reasons to think that what we call Opaline mutation in IRN is the same that the Opaline mutation in other species? As you say IRN birds seem to lack the effect of Opaline on psittacins, despite the presence of both yellow and red psittacins ... and the action of Opaline on head colour...
by Johan S
Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Why? I think the opaline does not have the right color palett/playground to do its magic, or it won't allow it. hopefully pieds+ parblues? could provide such environment for Opaline to do its magical play of colors. Hi Ben, yes, unfortunately IRN breeders are going to miss out on the real magic, wh...
by Johan S
Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:23 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere
Replies: 27
Views: 3461

Re: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere

Very very nice. :mrgreen:
by Johan S
Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:10 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Whether they're separate mutations or just the result of selective breeding is anyones guess. Clearly the dominant pieds we see today are nothing like the ones that the Smiths were breeding back in the day. So not necessarily 2 different types of genes, but a difference in how the genes are express...
by Johan S
Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:53 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Notice about breeding IRN's in South Africa?
Replies: 4
Views: 652

Re: Notice about breeding IRN's in South Africa?

Carmen, Wessel, the last I heard was that you will need a certificate issued by a club that has inspected your aviaries to ensure that you have double doors to prevent birds from escaping accidentally. It didn't sound like they would be going for the permit route, which would require someone from na...
by Johan S
Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:56 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere
Replies: 27
Views: 3461

Re: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere

Wessel, it gets quiet towards the end of September, with a lucky few to get eggs after that. But I think there is more than enough time for them to settle down in their new surroundings.
by Johan S
Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:09 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: COLOURATION QUESTION! White, Albino or Palladino?
Replies: 17
Views: 1747

Re: COLOURATION QUESTION! White, Albino or Palladino?

it has a white head. no red eyes (not albino) .washed blue white body...(not pallid)..since the pallid ino mutation emerged and no females were bred,it was theorised that this was a sex linked phenomena peculiar to cocks alone. I have seen more that one hen that fits the pallid ino description. nex...
by Johan S
Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:37 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

Madas, that website also refers to slaty, which could be the mutation expressed in IRN and not the same melanistic misty mutation of the link. Or perhaps both are displayed in IRN and we still need to sort them out (I believe this to be the case). Pity I can only go on what Google translate spits ou...
by Johan S
Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:24 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Hi allair,

your's seem to be a 'saddle' type parblue/turquoise from the picture. Thanks for sharing.
by Johan S
Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:11 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

okay- I'll go with Cinnamon- if only they can also have normal coloured edged feet and lower beaks like other non Cinnamon SL Edged birds. Shey, we all have so much still to learn. :D Keep in mind, Tienie reported that the cinnamon edged chick also doesn't have plum coloured eyes, which is somethin...
by Johan S
Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:53 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

Grey => completely destroys the spongy zone of the feather => no chance to see blue color in such a bird becaused no light of the blue wave length is reflected Dark and Violet => altering the width of the spongy zone => changes the wave length of reflected light Now, it is my turn to disagree. If t...
by Johan S
Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:32 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere
Replies: 27
Views: 3461

Re: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere

My first egg arrived yesterday. :D

Good luck to all, hope it is a cracker of a season for all!
by Johan S
Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:03 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Allair, it sounds to me from the description that you have yourself a bird where the indigo gene from the father and the turquoise gene from the mother has matched up, and she might very well be a TurquoiseIndigo. I'll bet you good money you are going to look long and hard to find a proven one of th...
by Johan S
Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:54 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: male or a female???
Replies: 3
Views: 491

Re: male or a female???

I agree with everything Ring0 said. Certainly does look like a hen, but best bet to have it surgically sexed, or DNA sexed.
by Johan S
Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:51 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Melissa thank you so much for your response , I agree with you and maybe some people dont like the results and fact that is what happen , and you are 100% right . But i want to say the following , I have done a lot of comparisons in terms of florecence lights , and all the information about the Eme...
by Johan S
Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:17 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

That looks like a normal turquoise youngster, allair. The green wash isn't evenly spread. Maybe a new photo will show it in a different light. :?:
by Johan S
Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:11 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

I agree your hen does look Misty- will you be pairing her up with a normal to see if you are right? Don't have the space, unfortunately. If one of my pairs don't click, I'll move her and the blue cleartail cock that is showing interest in her into a breeding aviary. That should give you your answer...
by Johan S
Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:51 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

Shey, the brown overlay is stunning in this bird. Maybe you can get him to breed this year? It will give a lot of insight. He is much lighter for sure than the grey sf edged bird with me, so it can either be df edge, sf edge cinnamon or misty edge. I'm sticking with cinnamon, though. :D Here are som...
by Johan S
Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:01 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

Shey, I see a very distinct brownish wash over the body, esp. visible in the flights and tail. It is very different from the grey edged bird at my place where the diluted regions appear whitish, so I'm fairly confident we are looking at a combination. I'm not sure about misty, since the blue misty e...
by Johan S
Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:59 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

Nice bird, Shey :D What you reckon it is? I'm going with grey cinnamon edged.
by Johan S
Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:59 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Double factor violetblue Mauve
Replies: 6
Views: 911

Re: Double factor violetblue Mauve

We have bred them the other way around, now have 3x violet(df) cobalts, but we won't be trying for mauve violet(df) this season.
by Johan S
Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:06 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: URGENT! violet df or violet cobalt??
Replies: 7
Views: 948

Re: URGENT! violet df or violet cobalt??

Does look as if there are some DF violets in there. :)
by Johan S
Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:26 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: URGENT! violet df or violet cobalt??
Replies: 7
Views: 948

Re: URGENT! violet df or violet cobalt??

Hi Miguel, I think you'll get a better response if you upload a group shot with all of them close to one another.
by Johan S
Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:00 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Opaline or just normal?
Replies: 2
Views: 611

Re: Opaline or just normal?

Not an opaline IMO.
by Johan S
Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:30 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Albino with caramel neck ring
Replies: 6
Views: 730

Re: Albino with caramel neck ring

Cinnamon or Misty have been known to produce 'coloured' neck rings in Albino cocks Somebody has been paying attention... :D I agree with Shey. First question about these albinos, do they have a sex-linked recessive inheritance? If there isn't 100% certainty, then we can add some more variables, oth...
by Johan S
Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:24 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Double factor violetblue Mauve
Replies: 6
Views: 911

Re: Double factor violetblue Mauve

I would think only a handful would exist. dfViolet, dfDark Blue (dfViolet Mauve) I think Johan's attempting this for this season? I imagine it would look much like the sfViolet Mauve Hi Shey, it was one of the pairs I suggested to my dad, but the two birds were placed with different partners. There...
by Johan S
Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:38 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Hi Breeders,my birds wont eat, need a little help please :)
Replies: 4
Views: 719

Re: Hi Breeders,my birds wont eat, need a little help please

They look about 6.5 weeks to me, and at that stage they still need plenty of feeding for the next couple of weeks. They won't eat by themselves at this time. That's normal. I'm surprised they are eating sunflower already. Good luck! :)
by Johan S
Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:22 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Finding out Zuuls Mutation once and for all
Replies: 10
Views: 873

Re: Finding out Zuuls Mutation once and for all

I agree with grey cleartail as well. You have some more photos showing the back and tail?
by Johan S
Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:50 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Removing babies from aviary
Replies: 6
Views: 768

Re: Removing babies from aviary

Yes, many breeders don't remove the boxes and simply block the entrance.
by Johan S
Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:09 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Kappa, from an SA perspective, our light strain of violet, which we locally refer to as NT violet (Nico Theunissen) violet has, in the last few years, started going through a transformation where some consider it to be the same as the Aus deep mutation. As for the "American" violet, that bird is sig...
by Johan S
Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:02 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is it?
Replies: 12
Views: 1131

Re: What is it?

madas wrote:Paul has such "pied ct" too and i think some breeders from SA also.

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I haven't seen any. You know who? :D I bred some double splits last year, but I'm far away from the pied ct combo.
by Johan S
Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:24 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Any chance it could be Homoz. Opaline Misty/Slaty or khaki? :?: Looks like a visual opaline but all markers reduced to only 30% or less visual manifestation Hi Ben, I'm 99% sure those factors don't come into play. The haziness is simply because I didn't set the camera settings properly. The bird wa...
by Johan S
Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:50 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Can I join in this one. I want to test myself. In pic 1 I see a slight lightening if the tail and flights and a slight darkening of the head. Light feet? Pic 2 is a bit more challenging, and the only thing I can pick out is the scalloping effect across the back. Pic 2 is more difficult. I have the ...
by Johan S
Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:29 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Benjamin, not the easiest challenge you could set. It is not simple to capture with a camera. These are the two best examples I have. Tell me what you see, and I'll tell you what I see. http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/parBlues/IMG_0102_zps4ada8760.jpg http://i1278.photobucket.com/...
by Johan S
Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:41 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Removing babies from aviary
Replies: 6
Views: 768

Re: Removing babies from aviary

Why not remove the nest box? Alternatively, you could replace the eggs with fake ones. But if it was me, I wouldn't put my birds through the strain of breeding if I didn't intend to have chicks on the perch a few months later.
by Johan S
Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:31 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: what should i pair my blue pied with?
Replies: 6
Views: 615

Re: what should i pair my blue pied with?

It depends on what you plan to do 2-3 years on. If you require DF pied (a fantastic bird to breed with), then you have to use the green pied hen with the blue pied. If getting 100% pied offspring from such a DF pied isn't a major concern for you, then the violet hen can be used. In that case, both p...
by Johan S
Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:37 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4414

Re: What am i? (again)

Because one of the fathers is for sure split for lutino so can't be split for pallid. The other is possible split for lutino because his father was sure split for Lutino. And i have a feeling that the SL Edged turqBlue /Cinnamon /ino? (? = possible split ino) isn't a son of the Misty SL Edged Indig...
by Johan S
Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:40 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4414

Re: What am i? (again)

@Recio: I think SL Edged and cinnamon are linked (btw: we still have no correct info regarding the crossover rate between Sl Edged and Cinnamon). So maybe the youngsters are SL Edged-cinnamon-lutino. But as you know the crossover rate between cinnamon and lutino is very low for a normal green doubl...
by Johan S
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:41 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am I, recessive or a dominant Pied
Replies: 9
Views: 1040

Re: What am I, recessive or a dominant Pied

Hi Hassan, I thought from your first post you were sure already. Absolutely no problem with having it sexed if you are unsure. Go for it.
by Johan S
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:39 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4414

Re: What am i? (again)

My personal opinion is that there is no cause to suspect anything other than our typical SL recessive mutations (here pallid or cinnamon) until there is definite male offspring. The first bird is 50/50, but the other ones are females (I'm 90% sure). Because of the very clear heads, I'm sticking with...
by Johan S
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:26 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Help with buying new IRN
Replies: 1
Views: 351

Re: Help with buying new IRN

My personal opinion over the years have moved from quantity to quality. I'd rather buy fewer birds, with more valuable mutations for the same price.
by Johan S
Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:01 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am I, recessive or a dominant Pied
Replies: 9
Views: 1040

Re: What am I, recessive or a dominant Pied

Well, you said it is a hen, and it looks like a hen too. Is there reason to doubt this?
by Johan S
Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:00 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4414

Re: What am i? (again)

They only other option is that they could possibly be fallows. :idea: Why do you say they aren't what they appear? Were they bred from black eyed parents and some of the offspring are male? The offspring looks female to me.
by Johan S
Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:01 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Hi Johan Is that what the very dark beak is about? I did ask the breeder (Paul COURT) about that and a couple of dark feathers on each shoulder but he couldn't shed any light on it other than to tell me that both parents came from JS. Kind regards Mike Hi Mike, no not the dark beak. The heterozygou...
by Johan S
Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:45 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Hi ErnieisAwsome Molossus knows what he is talking about and is therefore probably correct looking at the photo above . I only have one green, a rising one year old split opaline but the single opaline gene should not affect the colour. I have tried to attach library photos of him but if it doesn't...
by Johan S
Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:42 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am I, recessive or a dominant Pied
Replies: 9
Views: 1040

Re: What am I, recessive or a dominant Pied

I agree, I'd go with recessive pied based on the pied cap on the head.
by Johan S
Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:22 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

prodigy wrote:this is Lee we talking about :-) thats why i asked
:lol:
by Johan S
Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:00 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Peter, I've not heard of the appearance of turquoise or indigo alex, only blue and emerald. We'll have to wait patiently. Unless somebody has some good news. :)
by Johan S
Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:17 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Another Puzzle...What am I?
Replies: 28
Views: 2218

Re: Another Puzzle...What am I?

Melissa I don't have Emeralds though I do have a family of Indigo that I have been working with for some years. What I am confident of these birds appear in different colour morphs that is indicated in the colour of psittacine, one being Wild Green the other being Aqua Green now before the hysteric...
by Johan S
Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:29 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What book do you recommend?
Replies: 3
Views: 846

Re: What book do you recommend?

Still want to know what you say about the book "Ringneck Colour Genetics by Deon Smith"? http://sunbird1.co.za/?page_id=53 This is a good book too, and I prefer it over the Bastiaan book because it covers more recent findings in mutations. And of course, it is also great that Dr Deon visits this si...
by Johan S
Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:46 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Another Puzzle...What am I?
Replies: 28
Views: 2218

Re: Another Puzzle...What am I?

Cobalt violet turquoise. :)
by Johan S
Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:16 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

colour variation in df deep blue. These cock birds are full brothers bred in the same season in seperate clutches. http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b583/Kappa1975/imagejpg4_zpsc0a6ffd3.jpg Thanks for these, Kappa. What were the parents of these two birds? If there was a DF parent involved, did i...
by Johan S
Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:07 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Hi Ben, yes, that's what I was referring to. It would be very nice to see two green series brothers, one carrying blue or turq, the other carrying emerald, side by side. Johan, Yes, that would be nice! This green in above pic i believe is /turquoise first year breeding with him & i have another mat...
by Johan S
Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:08 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Hi Ben, yes, that's what I was referring to. It would be very nice to see two green series brothers, one carrying blue or turq, the other carrying emerald, side by side.
by Johan S
Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:06 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

Yes, that cobalt violet colour is amazing. Ringnecks can not compare.
by Johan S
Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:04 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere
Replies: 27
Views: 3461

Re: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere

tell him he's going to KFC..works for mine :lol: I'm going to remember that! There is a misty cock at my place not taking to a gorgeous hen... :twisted: :lol: As for the season, I haven't seen any mating, but that could be because I'm almost never home these days during daylight. SA is being hit by...
by Johan S
Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:26 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

If we have a look at this picture, and focus on the region surrounding the neck ring (top and bottom), what are everyone's thoughts on this question(s): Is the amount of silver that we see in that region normal for a green violet, or does it seem a bit in overdrive and remind us of the cheek region ...
by Johan S
Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:56 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

Well, the topic is "What am I?" I'm going with pastel fischeri! :D I stopped breeding agapornis in 2000. Had to sell my collection to pay for my studies. Every now and then I think to myself, maybe I should throw 2 or 3 pairs in my IRN communal aviary for youngsters. The fischeri do have the most in...
by Johan S
Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:01 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

You know it is always a better choice to pair a green series to a blue series bird. ;) Spoken like a true personatus and fischeri breeder! :lol: I took my sweet time learning that the best way forward is often started by one step backwards. Those early mauves could never compete with the feather qu...
by Johan S
Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:43 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Hi Johan From what you say re Lee's Green Alexandrines it would seem clear that there is a mutation at work. The issue still for me is whether or not that mutation is the Emerald gene we see in IRNs. IMO, if it is Emerald, there should be a clear as day marker in the undertail yellow area of the pl...
by Johan S
Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:46 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Yeah, but it's up to Lee to post quality pics of his Alexandrines. The small resolution pics we got don't help in this topic. :( Perhaps Johan can take some pics if he visit Lee again. :D Here are some 'old' photos. Did you forgot the last time this topic was discussed (also with so much passion)? ...
by Johan S
Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:18 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

madas wrote:And to add the green series opaline showed a yellowish skin triangle in the neck. Any one who noticed this too?
Very interesting. Pity we don't have any green series opaline. :(
by Johan S
Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:16 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Here is an example copied from the web For the sake of simplicity, we usually teach genetics using examples with only two possible alleles (A and a). But a single gene can actually have many possible alleles (A, a, A1, A2, A', etc.). For example, hair color in mice is determined by a single gene wi...
by Johan S
Sat May 31, 2014 11:44 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Almost all alleles of a locus that we know in aviculture interact the same to the wildtype (consider the SLino-locus with 3 alleles, bl-locus with 3 to possible 5+ alleles and the a-locus with 3 alleles). But this doesn't have to be the case. It simply means that blue and parblue can be recessive t...
by Johan S
Sat May 31, 2014 1:47 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Just one question Johan & this will clear my doubts : Can a gene locus house two genes ? examples will be helpful Sherjil, I don't know the exact terms used by the people in genetics, but the way it works is that a locus holds/houses two copies of the same gene for the wildtype, one copy of the wil...
by Johan S
Sat May 31, 2014 5:08 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Hi Ring0Neck you seem to be talking about two blue genes having two different loci where all parbue types are allel of blue1 and emerald being allel of blue2 ? how does this blue2 mutant look like ? Hi Sherjil, you have it halfway right. The implication of a possible second blue is true, but not of...
by Johan S
Wed May 28, 2014 7:55 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

can parblue ever be dominant? The long and the short of it is no, a parblue can only be recessive since it does not modify psittacin directly, it alters the concentration. However, I believe that an allele of blue can modify the nature of non-fluorescent psittacin to become what we see in emerald, ...
by Johan S
Wed May 28, 2014 3:14 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

No problem, I'll play along, but I have another question too. 1) Tell me why, please. I know you want to. :D 2) In your view, does the "master" gene of the blue locus a) turn of normal psittacin production completely, i.e. no psittacin is deposited, or b) alter the psittacin in such a way that the g...
by Johan S
Mon May 26, 2014 9:52 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

how is it possible for a parblue(emerald) that already evolved on its own allele to now show psittacins patches over and above its complete parblue composition. I refer to Willys(non turquoise) patched emeralds. Molossus, it actually fits well into a second model I consider for the blue locus, wher...
by Johan S
Thu May 22, 2014 12:21 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3898

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

Hi Doc, here is a collection of 2013 birds in their juvenile moult out the nest. First, our typical turquoise parblue: http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/parBlues/IMG_2205_zps43959172.jpg A collection of saddle type turquoise parblues http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoema...
by Johan S
Wed May 21, 2014 5:31 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3898

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

Doc, I can throw around some ideas to explain the low number of parblue non dom. pied offspring from the saddlebacks, but the fact is I don't know for sure. If the psittacin distribution is caused by a parblue of the blue locus (which I believe it is), then a linkage would also be observed in the of...
by Johan S
Tue May 20, 2014 9:33 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3898

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

Doc, this certainly is a riddle that has created a lot of talk. When one considers the violet 'saddleback' hen of Bob earlier in this topic, and some of the offspring, it is clear that there is a lot of variability in the "richness and intensity" of the yellow saddle region. There also seem to be so...
by Johan S
Sat May 17, 2014 12:22 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 27
Views: 3953

Re: What is this dark Violet?

But some of these dark birds had another feature, black upper bills and/or dark nails. This represents a general increased deposition of melanin not only in the feather follicles but in the skin appendages as well. I don't know of the skin itself but I expect it. As you all know, no described struc...
by Johan S
Sat May 17, 2014 7:58 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 27
Views: 3953

Re: What is this dark Violet?

PS: one other thing - the green dom. pied is incredible! That's really a beauty with the almost perfectly clear body and unaffected head. :mrgreen:
by Johan S
Sat May 17, 2014 7:53 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 27
Views: 3953

Re: What is this dark Violet?

Johan The youngster is a new acquisition from Hans Meyer's collection, I acquired it to try and strengthen my own gene pool's melanistic factor and deep gene. On close observation, she appears to have a violet sheen to the body but with cobalt-like wings , I cannot capture this. Doc, my Ntviolet co...
by Johan S
Sat May 17, 2014 3:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 27
Views: 3953

Re: What is this dark Violet?

Hi guys I want to share this image with you and invite opinions on the genotype of the 3 year old. She cannot be DF Violet. Does Violet Deep (Cobalt) really produce such as rich, intense colour Please view the image below. On the right is a 2013 Cobalt Violet hen, and the left shows her aunt of 3 y...
by Johan S
Thu May 15, 2014 10:30 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: one dominant male has bred with 3 hens in the colony
Replies: 2
Views: 714

Re: one dominant male has bred with 3 hens in the colony

This is really interesting. I'm not a colony breeder and keep my pairs separate, but please keep posting your observations. There is little info about colony breeding available.
by Johan S
Wed May 14, 2014 1:23 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3898

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

If so, it makes sense. Seldomly breeders would hold back say a normal blue nowadays, but sell it off before the 1st year moult, meaning they sell it off before parblue manifests itself. As Chris & Bob said "some kind of Parblue", it sure is different as it only manifests much later as Madas is poin...
by Johan S
Tue May 13, 2014 5:10 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3898

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

Thanks for confirming, Madas.
by Johan S
Tue May 06, 2014 12:47 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

samb05 wrote:2nd Pic Dark, Deep, Dark
My guess too.
by Johan S
Tue May 06, 2014 12:31 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere
Replies: 27
Views: 3461

Re: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere

My old settle couples are very active. But the newer couples don't even have nests yet. No rush, lots of time. :D
by Johan S
Sun May 04, 2014 7:33 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Hi Martin, welcome to the forum. I hope you will enjoy the interaction and discussions. :D Thanks for the very informative post. I'll have to read it again to allow everything to sink in. While I do that, what are your thoughts on the birds commonly known in SA as Nico Theunissen violets, which many...
by Johan S
Sun May 04, 2014 5:28 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

Being patient is so hard! :lol:
by Johan S
Sun May 04, 2014 4:34 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

My anticipation was right. :D "where's the fourth bird?" :P I had to transfer the fourth chick to another pair because it wasn't fed in the right way and trampled down by the other three chicks. So it is lagging behind the other. Means no visible feathers until now. Hopefully next weekend i can pos...
by Johan S
Sun May 04, 2014 4:17 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Hi Ben, What do you reckon, anything in this? For those who aren't aware theses are photos of Ron's deep green juvenile and a NT violet green from SA, Johan's bird. Hi Kappa, not my bird. I only took the picture. :) The 2 clear traits in the green series birds in SA is 1) the bird's body colour loo...
by Johan S
Thu May 01, 2014 2:01 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: urgent all australian breeders
Replies: 17
Views: 1934

Re: urgent all australian breeders

Lee, I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. That makes for interesting conversation. :D My point was a very simple one. ... and b) "the prices are in line with imports"? My humble opinion is that something is amiss with b). Unfortunately, even though you mention you disagree with me, you yo...
by Johan S
Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:08 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: urgent all australian breeders
Replies: 17
Views: 1934

Re: urgent all australian breeders

Lee, I think two things play a role here: 1) This one is on topic; I believe the push in declaring IRN as invasive in SA has caused a lot of damage to the market, esp. since there is still uncertainty as to what the permit system will entail. If it is like cycads, where one needs to keep an updated ...
by Johan S
Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:36 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is the exact mutation of this hen ?
Replies: 10
Views: 1307

Re: What is the exact mutation of this hen ?

Hi Khalid, welcome to the forum. :D In my humble opinion, the hen looks as if edged is involved. However, looking at the cock, that doesn't seem genetically possible, as the cock should be expressing it in single factor. It doesn't look as if he is edged, which means he is carrying a recessive gene,...
by Johan S
Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:37 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is the exact mutation of this hen ?
Replies: 10
Views: 1307

Re: What is the exact mutation of this hen ?

Pastel birds are born with black eyes and the allele bronze fallow with red, but I don't think either of those apply here. My best guess is that it is a strange looking cinnamon, although the flight feathers certainly does look edged. The cock bird doesn't show sl dom. edged traits in my view, unles...
by Johan S
Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:40 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is the exact mutation of this hen ?
Replies: 10
Views: 1307

Re: What is the exact mutation of this hen ?

Sherjil, was the hen born with red or black eyes?
by Johan S
Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:40 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: urgent all australian breeders
Replies: 17
Views: 1934

Re: urgent all australian breeders

I've seen talk of this today on Facebook this morning. You guys need to get numbers together urgently. We'll help any way we can.
by Johan S
Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:38 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

Shey, unfortunately, not good ones. This one came out too dark. You can see the difference in the wings, but not very well. http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/SA%20Deep%20or%20Violet/IMG_3308_zps69df0291.jpg This one of the NTviolet cobalt compares it to a cobalt turq and came out be...
by Johan S
Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:55 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What Mutation Please
Replies: 22
Views: 1799

Re: What Mutation Please

My apologies Nigel. And lovely pictures. :D
by Johan S
Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:39 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What Mutation Please
Replies: 22
Views: 1799

Re: What Mutation Please

Traceyweller wrote:Last post before I can upload pictures :)
Ok Tracey, so where are the pics already? :lol: You should have plenty of good ones. :D
by Johan S
Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:37 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

Ok, birds on the front perch left to right : sfNT Violet sfViolet , df Dark Blues Birds on the far perch: sfViolet sfDark , sfViolet Green, TurquoiseBlue and sfNT Violet Blue. Not a bad attempt. Two changes: front perch is a sf violet sf dark, and back perch is the sf NT violet sf dark for comparis...
by Johan S
Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:43 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

mcw-indianringnecks wrote:The picture of peter smiths bird is emerold violet harlequin not emerold grey harlequin .,
Nobody said it was, Chris. Madas merely pointed out that the Peter Smith bird is close to one of my favourite phenotypes, the grey emerald harlequin.
by Johan S
Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:54 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon or no?
Replies: 21
Views: 1201

Re: Cinnamon or no?

sheyd wrote:
RouKaime wrote:I believe it is a violet cobalt cinnamon

to the left is a Violet Cobalt Cinnamon
Image
Maybe your other left, right? :?
by Johan S
Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:53 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

I've played around with the enhance function provided by photobucket, and this was the results http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/SA%20Deep%20or%20Violet/f0335e07-883b-4ad2-b2ab-45f5490f060b_zps8a20072b.jpg It seems to clear the colouring up a bit. I suspect the green background in m...
by Johan S
Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:06 pm
Forum: IRN Breeders
Topic: misty
Replies: 4
Views: 1407

Re: misty

When in the nest, take two pictures, one with the flash on and one with the flash off. The flash will change the colour of the misty chicks dramatically.
by Johan S
Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:31 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

And, to get a bit more on track again with the original picture, the bird partially visible at the far right (next to the turqblue) looks like this: http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/SA%20Deep%20or%20Violet/IMG_3236_zpsd4716c23.jpg Madas, there's your riddle. :D This is easy: SA 'd...
by Johan S
Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:27 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What Mutation Please
Replies: 22
Views: 1799

Re: What Mutation Please

Unfortunately not. :(
by Johan S
Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:23 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

Oh, Ok, so the 2nd bird original pic is SF Dark SF NT Violet Blue , i still see that bird very dark to carry only 2 struct. mutations in SF, (using two screens). Make no mistake, the bird is very dark. More so than a good quality violet. It is between SF violet and SF violet SF dark. Maybe this wil...
by Johan S
Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:01 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

hi All I am going to go with the DF Violet , SF violet (although it is very dark) sf Deep violet and a darkgreen violet with the turquoise blue Robert Hi Robert, in the discussion between Madas and myself it was let slip the green bird is a SF violet green. Now work from there and the next hint. :D...
by Johan S
Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:53 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What Mutation Please
Replies: 22
Views: 1799

Re: What Mutation Please

would anyone have a picture of NT violet Of course. :D Notice the dark body with lighter than expected tail. http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/SA%20Deep%20or%20Violet/IMG_0192NTgreencock_zpsb930485c.jpg Cobalt cock and NT hen (parents of some of the birds in the other topic). These...
by Johan S
Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:00 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon or no?
Replies: 21
Views: 1201

Re: Cinnamon or no?

The greyish feet makes me think edged only and no cinnamon, but it is a hard question to answer with absolute certainty.
by Johan S
Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:55 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

And, to get a bit more on track again with the original picture, the bird partially visible at the far right (next to the turqblue) looks like this:
Image

Madas, there's your riddle. :D
by Johan S
Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:43 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

So is it the same green series bird as in the other pic? if it isn't dark(sf) violet(sf) green then dark(sf) SA 'deep'(sf) green. Or is it another riddle? :?: For my eyes to dark or "olivish" to be a normal violet(sf) green. Yes, there are a couple of riddles, but not with this one. Well, there isn...
by Johan S
Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:51 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

No players except Ring0? What a pity. Sure but not always online. :) Some people have to work. :D Left to right: dark(sf) violet(sf) blue, dark(sf) SA 'deep'(sf) blue, dark(sf) violet(sf) green, dark(df) blue. Not always online? :o Of course you are. :D Have another look at this one: http://i1278.p...
by Johan S
Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:28 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon or no?
Replies: 21
Views: 1201

Re: Cinnamon or no?

That pic is fine. I agree with Ben. :)
by Johan S
Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:11 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

No players except Ring0? What a pity.

Ok Ben, so one stars so far for the mauve. Hint: no other DF mutations present.
by Johan S
Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:09 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon or no?
Replies: 21
Views: 1201

Re: Cinnamon or no?

Do you have a picture of an open wing showing the flight feathers in detail?

Also, Saphire is a hen, right?
by Johan S
Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:59 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

Hi all, since the forum is quite, I figured I'd upload a series of photos (starting with one) from some birds carrying structural mutations. As specific birds are discussed, I'll upload additional photos. So, what are we? (Hint: Use the turqblue second to the right as reference) http://i1278.photobu...
by Johan S
Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:33 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Ok, Ben, so when you say a picture showing 'variation in deep', we could also be looking at two different (but very close) mutations or alleles, and not necessarily variation (like juvenile turquoise expression). :?: The difference of course being, variation is the difference in expression in phenot...
by Johan S
Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:56 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Spot on Johan :shock: all 4 do. Nice. Gold star for me. :lol: Still don't see it on that violet, though. :oops: So the one in the background is a dom. pied emeraldTurq? I think so, Madas. That beautiful even apple greenish colour in the front made me think emerald is also there. And I think that 's...
by Johan S
Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:49 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

That's a really nice pic. Ben, do you know whether all these birds were bred from a single source, or are they from more than one source? The two darker males are dead ringers for the NT violets this side. The mature cock at the bottom (lighter phenotype) seems different to anything I've run across ...
by Johan S
Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:42 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What Mutation Please
Replies: 22
Views: 1799

Re: What Mutation Please

If that bird was in SA, I'd go with SF NT violet SF dark. In your case, I'd guess SF deep SF dark.
by Johan S
Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:40 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Buying/Identifying a Harlequin Pied Awareness
Replies: 5
Views: 764

Re: Buying/Identifying a Harlequin Pied Awareness

Shady hi, Ringo is right in that .. you have to see this from the eye of a person who only knows description and not seen many examples. someone who has not been there and done that ... it is very difficult not to be duped. that is a good example of what selective breeding can achieve.. Ringo now g...
by Johan S
Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:21 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Ring0Neck wrote:Quiz: How many of these birds carry the emerald gene?
All of them, except possibly the violet. But it is hard to tell from that pic. :)
by Johan S
Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:51 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Kappa wrote:Hi Madas,
You're right. :D Sometimes the imagination can work faster than the brain :lol:
+1 :lol:
by Johan S
Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:49 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: dominant or recessive
Replies: 38
Views: 2246

Re: dominant or recessive

Ben you think misty for everything :lol: Hen looks like a normal Pallid to me. ... Sure i do I bet that i can show you or most other OZ breeders a blue misty as a normal blue & no one will ever pick it as misty. So, how do you expect to see misty in a pallid? what difference do you think a misty pa...
by Johan S
Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:38 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: **** URGENT ALL South African Breeders ****
Replies: 71
Views: 20299

Re: **** URGENT ALL South African Breeders ****

Lushen, are you saying that people that take a second language in an SA school can't read that language? What is our education system coming to? :shock:
by Johan S
Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:58 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Johan I might be getting an emerald cinnamon edged hen, if not, at least i'll get some pics you might enjoy. :wink: Now that would be a treat! :D Add to that some contrast, and you get to something like an emerald grey harlequin, one of my favourite phenotypes. :mrgreen: Now we are getting closer t...
by Johan S
Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:15 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Emerald is best displayed when the melanin is removed (in my opinion), so I find it hard to believe that there isn't more emerald inos around. Ok well, not that hard. People will usually throw their two most expensive mutations together in the hope of breeding something even more valuable. But stil...