All registrations must be approved by an admin. Having problems with registration? E-mail us at indianringnecks@gmail.com

Search found 116 matches

by smick
Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:05 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: violet blue prices
Replies: 2
Views: 712

Re: violet blue prices

Thanks Kappa, at least I have an idea, Will be keeping two pairs,
Pair one indigo blue cock over cobalt violet blue hen
Pair two cobalt indigo blue cock over violet indigo blue hen
by smick
Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:32 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: violet blue prices
Replies: 2
Views: 712

violet blue prices

G'day does anybody know what prices violet blues are selling for at the moment in nsw, I may be taking some to the Nowra bird sale. 2015 violet blue cock and hen, 2015 indigo blue, 2015 turquoise pallidino. and a 2 year old violet blue hen that's already a proven breeder and her partner turquoise bl...
by smick
Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:15 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: breeding results
Replies: 2
Views: 575

Re: breeding results

this will depend on if the lutino hen is split blue. if she is a straight lutino he will get green/ blue ino cocks and the hens will be green /blue. if she is split blue 50% blue/ino, cocks 50% green/blueino cocks 50% hens blue 50% hens green/blue
by smick
Sat May 30, 2015 5:19 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: mutation indigo
Replies: 8
Views: 1644

Re: mutation indigo

A indigo blue looks aqua in colour, a par blue that is lighter in green suffusion then a turquoise. ie a blue looking bird but has a soft green suffusion, good colour to breed with violet blue as seems to deepen the purple colour and the green from the indigo also deepens, I have one that is quite b...
by smick
Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:59 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: mutation question
Replies: 2
Views: 637

Re: mutation question

Lethalfire, if the hen is straight lutino and not split blue and the cock is straight blue you will only get green cocks split blue and ino, and green hens split blue. Is the young one green that your feeding. Thanks Smick
by smick
Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:47 am
Forum: Share Your Flock With The Family
Topic: A Thread For Budgie Fans
Replies: 168
Views: 15458

Re: A Thread For Budgie Fans

Geveze, it could be diet and because it happened after egg laying I would say she lacks calcium. If its available buy cuttle fish bone , this is always supplied to my birds , chicken egg shells when you use some eggs cook the empty shells in the microwave for 1 minute and then crush them and place i...
by smick
Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:01 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Blue Male/ Dilute Violet Female?
Replies: 10
Views: 990

Re: Blue Male/ Dilute Violet Female?

Well, you picked a good site whim as I have learnt so much here about mutations. To find out what colours you can get use gencalc.com as this is easy to use but it is limited with colours. Example it has turquoise but not indigo all you do in this case is just substitute the word in your result as b...
by smick
Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:51 pm
Forum: Share Your Flock With The Family
Topic: A Thread For Budgie Fans
Replies: 168
Views: 15458

Re: A Thread For Budgie Fans

Tasha try some greens like seeding grass or silverbeet, they will be super eager and will soon land on you, thanks Mick
by smick
Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:37 am
Forum: Moustache Parakeet
Topic: Young moustache
Replies: 10
Views: 4643

Re: Young moustache

Thanks skyes-crew, it looks like they have selected partners so now is just a waiting game, I don't know if hens can breed at 1yr, but can't wait. Thanks smick
by smick
Fri May 30, 2014 1:05 am
Forum: Moustache Parakeet
Topic: I'm getting a moustached breeding pair! Advice?!
Replies: 1
Views: 1863

Re: I'm getting a moustached breeding pair! Advice?!

Hi, did you get the pair, no they are not screamers, well my pairs don't . I am only knew to owning/breeding Moustache as well so don't have much knowledge but I think when they first leave the nest all have a pale orange beak but at around 6 months the beaks turn black and anywhere from 8 to 12 mon...
by smick
Fri May 23, 2014 1:23 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Advise with new mutation and pairing
Replies: 3
Views: 691

Re: Advise with new mutation and pairing

Kappa, not correct if he pairs the turquoise blue to albino he will get both blue and turquoise blue cocks split ino and turquoise blue and blue hens or if he uses the grey cock he will get blue and grey cocks split ino and blue and grey hens. The lutino hen is harder to use unless she is split blue...
by smick
Sat May 10, 2014 6:12 am
Forum: Moustache Parakeet
Topic: Young moustache
Replies: 10
Views: 4643

Re: Young moustache

G'day again, well I bought 2 new hens from Fairfield bird sales both 2013 bred, so should not be somebody's reject. Well you should have seen the 2 males reaction :D . The younger males has been displaying he's little heart out, the other one is displaying as well but the younger one is super keen, ...
by smick
Fri May 02, 2014 3:23 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Pallid - but what kind?
Replies: 6
Views: 711

Re: Pallid - but what kind?

He looks like a turquoise blue pallid to me, thanks Smick.
by smick
Fri May 02, 2014 3:13 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet Ino
Replies: 14
Views: 1374

Re: Violet Ino

bridge, put the pastel(turquoise) blue/pallid cock to the sf violet blue hen and just put the 2 lutino's together, thanks Smick.
by smick
Fri May 02, 2014 2:12 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: urgent all australian breeders
Replies: 17
Views: 1913

Re: urgent all australian breeders

I have signed the petition and asked others on a different site if they would like to support as some of them will be affected as well. Kappa I think your 100% right if they introduce a permit many people with only a pet bird or small number of breeders may say stuff it I don't want the permit and i...
by smick
Fri May 02, 2014 1:38 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet Ino
Replies: 14
Views: 1374

Re: Violet Ino

Bridgey, most people don't like or want to breed a lutino cock to violet blue hen because with the young lutino hens you cannot be sure if they are masking violet or blue until you breed from them so they are worth little money and not many people will buy them. If you can it would be better to sour...
by smick
Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:07 pm
Forum: Share Your Flock With The Family
Topic: Sexually Dimorphic Birds
Replies: 5
Views: 1144

Re: Sexually Dimorphic Birds

Tabaneske, I have in sexually dimorphic birds bird's such as Gouldian finch's, Painted finch's. In parrots, Hooded parrots, Scarlet chested parrot, King parrot, and western rosella. Others you could try are Red wings , Superb parrots , Regents, Golden- shouldered parrot, Turquoise parrots, Bourke's ...
by smick
Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:49 pm
Forum: Share Your Flock With The Family
Topic: Zebra Finches <3
Replies: 4
Views: 1157

Re: Zebra Finches <3

I used to breed them when I was young in a planted aviary with other finch's and Scarlet chested parrots and princess parrots, But the Zebra finch's bred like mice :roll: I started with 3 pair and after 2 years I sold off 289 because no other finch had a chance to breed because the Zebra finch's too...
by smick
Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:41 pm
Forum: Share Your Flock With The Family
Topic: A Thread For Budgie Fans
Replies: 168
Views: 15458

Re: A Thread For Budgie Fans

G'day Budgie fans, interesting seeing so many USA fans of the humble Aussie budgie, but the domestic budgie as been world wide for a long time now. I from a town about 1 hour from Sydney I and my family have been breeding budgies for probably about 40 years. I usually breed about 30 to 40 a year, th...
by smick
Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:55 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is my mutation?
Replies: 3
Views: 626

Re: What is my mutation?

G'day Derkinkle, the cock bird must be split cinnamon which combined with blue gives you skyblue, Cinnamon is sex linked so any skyblue babies will be hens. Hens cannot be split , so she's just a normal blue. And a blue bird cannot be split to green but a green can be split blue. As for all the rece...
by smick
Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:17 am
Forum: IRN Breeders
Topic: Breeder in Sydney NSW
Replies: 3
Views: 2151

Re: Breeder in Sydney NSW

Hayley, G'day I'm a breeder in the south west of Sydney and if your still looking, next season probably can help as this years surplus pretty well gone. A great place to see/meet breeders and purchase birds are at the bird sales there is a good ones like Fairfield , Castle hill, Berkly, Nowra. Fairf...
by smick
Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:59 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: what shoulld i put with my Blue cock
Replies: 1
Views: 391

Re: what shoulld i put with my Blue cock

Gerald hi, Being a Blue cock which is recessive I would pair it up to enougher recessive colour as to get different coloured young straight up. Some choices I would consider Violet Blue, indigo blue, Turquoise blue , Indigo violet blue, Turquoise violet blue and Cobolt blue which also can be combine...
by smick
Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Wll ithis pair raise a new mutation
Replies: 9
Views: 795

Re: Wll ithis pair raise a new mutation

Congrats Lee, a very special moment for your family and yes when a daughter marry's it put a big hole in a daddy's heart, but o so proud a moment to walk your daughter down the isle. Best wish's for this new family and that they will prosper, Smick from oz
by smick
Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:46 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: indigo violet blue ?
Replies: 12
Views: 1372

indigo violet blue ?

G'day all, from my Indigo blue cock to violet blue hen I have bred 2 good coloured violets,1 indigo blue and 1 that should be indigo violet blue. This bird has some green in wings but overall is more a dark blue than violet blue in colour is it possible the mother is a dark violet blue as is very da...
by smick
Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:29 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: violet blue shades
Replies: 0
Views: 352

violet blue shades

My violet blue young, parents are indigo blue cock to violet blue hen. The hen is a good purple coloured bird quite deep in colour but is sf. The young, 1 indigo blue and 3 violet blues. 2 look like the hen but the other one is violet on the front but much more blue on the back , wings and tail. Whe...
by smick
Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:58 am
Forum: Moustache Parakeet
Topic: Young moustache
Replies: 10
Views: 4643

Re: Young moustache

Well the beak is now changing to bright orange from the top down, so my guess by it's displaying that it was a cock was correct. So now I have got 2 cock birds so now must look for hens :roll: . At least they are not related so should be good for when I breed young in the future when I find hens.
by smick
Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:14 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Curious on what you think?
Replies: 53
Views: 2849

Re: Curious on what you think?

No you can pair up different colours regardless off what colours the birds are used to, only need to pair ones up that breed desirable colours so that your not stuck with young that nobody wants eg try to avoid pairing a violet blue to albino as ino will mask the violet. Any of the pallids will have...
by smick
Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:33 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Curious on what you think?
Replies: 53
Views: 2849

Re: Curious on what you think?

Tabaneske the others forget to mention that the male offspring will be visual blue but split for ino (albino=blueino) and yes the hens will all be blueino . So if you wanted to breed albino(blueino) cocks just keep one blue/ino cock and pair up to enougher albino (blueino) hen.
by smick
Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:00 am
Forum: Moustache Parakeet
Topic: Young moustache
Replies: 10
Views: 4643

Re: Young moustache

Thanks ringo, I have had the bird 9 months now so if by Christmas its still black should be a hen, I hope, at what age does the chest change colour. :?:
by smick
Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:16 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Breeding season going well- first young
Replies: 6
Views: 535

Re: Breeding season going well- first young

Thanks SKYES-CREW, do you have many Aussie parrots in Hawaii. Some of my other pairs are princess parrots, scarlet chested parrots, eastern rosella's, budgies, cockatiels, hooded parrots and king parrots
by smick
Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:09 am
Forum: Moustache Parakeet
Topic: Young moustache
Replies: 10
Views: 4643

Young moustache

G'day I have a mature cock bird in with what I think is a hen but it displays too :roll: . This birds beak has gone black shouldn't that mean its a hen or do all young birds beak turn from the light orange colour to black and then when maturing the cock birds changes to bright orange :?:
by smick
Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:57 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Breeding season going well- first young
Replies: 6
Views: 535

Re: Breeding season going well- first young

First young are going great but unfortunately the eggs under the blue pallid with green pallidino cock didn't hatch and when checked were with fully formed chicks inside so this is my first dead in eggs :( . They look like they will go again. The other 2 pairs are now sitting. :D Different subject b...
by smick
Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:43 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Breeding season going well- first young
Replies: 6
Views: 535

Breeding season going well- first young

Great start so far, Indigo blue cock to violet blue hen's young have hatched looks like 4 but she want let me see well. Green Pallidino to blue pallid hen on 4 eggs due to hatch soon. Turquiose blue/ino cock to creamino hen have started laying. Turquiose blue pallid cock to blue hen mating. I'm most...
by smick
Tue May 07, 2013 2:22 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: white on white
Replies: 186
Views: 12634

Re: white on white

As someone who is somewhat new to mutation breeding as Willy says df indigo and df turquiose it is easy to understand then homo and hetero :roll: when pairing two like birds together and i bet there are probably plenty like me :) . As for the white flights a different species but years ago i bought ...
by smick
Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:17 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: turquiose blue pallid and indigo blue pallid
Replies: 0
Views: 359

turquiose blue pallid and indigo blue pallid

I have a turq blue cock and a indigo blue cock and you can see the difference easily . Can you see the difference between turq blue pallid cock and indigo blue pallid cock and does anybody have a photo of the two together,thanks smick
by smick
Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:39 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: My pair doesn't breed?
Replies: 2
Views: 484

Re: My pair doesn't breed?

G'day unfortunately some pairs will never be compatable,you may need to change the cock bird as hens normal pick their partner. If they have been together for 3 to 4 years and don't act as a pair they may never pair up. I had 2pairs of princess parrots that never bred for 3years which is strange as ...
by smick
Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:06 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations and psittacines
Replies: 10
Views: 860

Re: Structural mutations and psittacines

Although not about ringnecks but I watched a doco studying colour mutations and uv floresence in budgies. The. Forehead unbarred region on cocks showed the most uv floresence followed by cheek dots, the wild type showed the most uv floresence and when given the choice hens would pick cocks with the ...
by smick
Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:20 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: IRN GenCalc - Pastel Violet?
Replies: 1
Views: 472

Re: IRN GenCalc - Pastel Violet?

David for the cock check boxs df violet,turquiose blue and also check blue box,df factor because both of he's parent have violet. For the hen only check sf violet and blue,thanks smick
by smick
Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:03 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: pictures of Deep and Dark Greens?
Replies: 155
Views: 14640

Re: pictures of Deep and Dark Greens?

Do normal green cocks usually have blue upper tail feathes because the cock I had upper tail feathers were pure green?
by smick
Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:23 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Breeding Career?
Replies: 6
Views: 693

Re: Breeding Career?

From ringnecks or one species alone would be dificult. Birds with a set breeding season means you need to be able to sell enough to support yourself for the rest of the year!. If you diverse with other species that can breed all year you would stand a better chance,birds such as conures,eclecus,cock...
by smick
Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:58 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: "psittacula world" Project - Let's begin !
Replies: 45
Views: 21304

Re: "psittacula world" Project - Let's begin !

Hi, everybody I think the commitee choise is spot on and as they are world based can only be a positive. My question is will ordinary members have to apply and be voted in by the commitee and will there be a limit on numbers.?
by smick
Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:36 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: indigo violet cleartail
Replies: 13
Views: 1426

Re: indigo violet cleartail

Angelc77, I have started to put shade cloth on the roof of the shelters and I plan to install garden irigation tube with mist nozzles. One nozzle to wet the shade cloth above and a second nozzle poking into the start of each shelter and then its only mater of connecting garden hose on hot days. Only...
by smick
Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:45 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: indigo violet cleartail
Replies: 13
Views: 1426

Re: indigo violet cleartail

I think a indigo violet cleartail would be a very striking bird and I'm thinking I would like to try and breed this bird. My indigo blue cock was paired to a df violet blue hen but she was the only ringneck I lost on that dreadful hot, Friday, so I will, have to look for another violet blue hen firs...
by smick
Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:12 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: clear head and tails
Replies: 10
Views: 986

clear head and tails

When they're are young can you see a visual difference between head and tails and just cleartails or are they allways combined,thanks smick
by smick
Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:34 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: What will be the out come of the babies if.....
Replies: 1
Views: 459

Re: What will be the out come of the babies if.....

A good choice for cock would be a turquiose blue pallid, I have this pairing and is great because you can nest sex the young. From this pairing you will get tuqrquiose blue cocks/pallid and blue cocks/pallid. Hens will be turquiose blue pallid and blue pallid, thanks smick
by smick
Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:45 am
Forum: Ringneck Stories
Topic: cheeky Indigo blue cock
Replies: 0
Views: 561

cheeky Indigo blue cock

My avairy doors between this avairy bank are internal and i pass from the Hooded parrot avairy then into the Indigo blue's avairy before entering the last avairy which has a Turquoise blue cock and a Creamino hen. Well the Indigo cock must been studying how i open the door because he now can open th...
by smick
Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:13 am
Forum: Our Angels in Heaven: Rainbow Bridge
Topic: tragidy to my breedimg program
Replies: 3
Views: 1148

tragidy to my breedimg program

Last friday the temperature hit 48 decres celcius and with a hot wind. I came home from work and checked my birds ahhhhhhh dead birds everywhere. The hot wind was blowing directly into avairies I got the hose out and started to cool birds and avaries down but alas to late for many. 55 birds dead in ...
by smick
Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:53 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Breeding Alexandrines to Ringnecks
Replies: 31
Views: 17987

Re: Breeding Alexandrines to Ringnecks

Well not ringnecks, but I breed gouldian finchs and have tried the yellow mutations and they were no where near as strong as pure birds and frankly the normal ones to me are far more beautiful. So now I have mainly normals but a seperate flock of white breasted gouldians which are very strong in vig...
by smick
Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:23 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Help. Albino cock or hen?
Replies: 5
Views: 494

Re: Help. Albino cock or hen?

The only way to tell wthout dna sexing is to place with a known hen and watch for male displaying,as male and female are the same visually. I hope that helps smick
by smick
Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:53 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Visual Difference between Blue Lacewing & Sky Blue Lacewing?
Replies: 42
Views: 14343

Re: Visual Difference between Blue Lacewing & Sky Blue Lacew

Carmen,she is paired to green pallidino cock and this was their first season together,2 green pallid chicks and 1lutino /blue hen, hanks smick.
by smick
Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:40 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Calling IRN breeders from Australia
Replies: 22
Views: 3225

Re: Calling IRN breeders from Australia

I think the main reason for facing east is for the morning sun and protection from southwesterly winds in winter/ early spring. Birds such as scarlet chested parrots and gouldian finchs are exspecially effected from these winds and losses will occur. North is still good as the back wall will stop th...
by smick
Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:22 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Calling IRN breeders from Australia
Replies: 22
Views: 3225

Re: Calling IRN breeders from Australia

Almost all my avairies face east the only exception is two up the back which face north, one has budgies in it and the other a pair of red rumps and they double clutch, so direction isn't a factor.
by smick
Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:07 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Visual Difference between Blue Lacewing & Sky Blue Lacewing?
Replies: 42
Views: 14343

Re: Visual Difference between Blue Lacewing & Sky Blue Lacew

Interesting topic, the first blue lacewing hen that I bought is quite pale in colour even when she matured . I have a pair male turquoise blue pallid to normal blue hen and all blue pallid hens from them have been a darker blue from the the original hen even in the nest. Another pair turquoise blue/...
by smick
Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:26 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Calling IRN breeders from Australia
Replies: 22
Views: 3225

Re: Calling IRN breeders from Australia

Do you think because all my pairs start late in the season ,none of my pairs have ever double clutched.i dont onow if others near me start late.my mate lives near liverpool and none of hes pairs went down.my indigo blue cock and double factor violet blue hens eggs were infertile and its been six wee...
by smick
Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:05 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Calling IRN breeders from Australia
Replies: 22
Views: 3225

Re: Calling IRN breeders from Australia

I live near the southern highlands nsw and none of my pairs do anything untill late August and into September and one pair not until the end of September and start of October. Maybe the cold mornings makes them hold off. Most off my Australian birds don't nest until late september. Even my Gouldian ...
by smick
Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:54 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Normal or not for Color
Replies: 31
Views: 3754

Re: Normal or not for Color

zananv, did you get the bird tested to find out if it had pbfd,thanks smick.
by smick
Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:10 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: turquoise blue cock
Replies: 7
Views: 570

Re: turquoise blue cock

Sorry Ben, but its in the picasa the first step to make public viewable i don't know how to find it
by smick
Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:52 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: turquoise blue cock
Replies: 7
Views: 570

Re: turquoise blue cock

Ben, i have created the picasweb albums but in the post you say in step one about edit album info to public viewable album. How do you find this page to edit i can't work it out,sorry.
by smick
Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:18 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: turquoise blue cock
Replies: 7
Views: 570

Re: turquoise blue cock

I took some photos on my samsung phone but they look terrible maybe the cement at work has damaged the lens. I might try the daughters Ipod and then i will have to figure out how to post photos as havent done so yet. I will give it a go with the photo i have.
by smick
Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:28 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: turquoise blue cock
Replies: 7
Views: 570

turquoise blue cock

Mmm a surprise,my male turquoise blue was supposed to be split ino and i paired him up to my creamino hen .but evidently he was split pallid. The young well and truly feathering up and from what i can see,one blue pallid hen,one bluepallidino cock,and what looks to be a turquoise blue pallidino cock...
by smick
Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:56 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Indigo? Turquoise? Violet Pallid with pics
Replies: 206
Views: 27868

Re: Indigo? Turquoise? Violet Pallid with pics

Unfortunately for me the indigo blue cock/pallid to df violet blue hen's eggs wern't fertile and looks like they wont try again this season. i suppose for a one year old hen and two year cock the chances were that they may not be fertile yet.at least she sat full term so should be a good hen.
by smick
Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:42 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Green plus blue equals ?
Replies: 5
Views: 636

Re: Green plus blue equals ?

may i suggest with one of the green/blue hens pair this to a blue pallid cock which aren't that much different in price from a normal blue and are easy to get and beautifull. This pairing then will produce 50% green pallid hens,and 50% blue pallid hens. Cocks will be 50% blue/pallid and50% green/blu...
by smick
Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:39 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Green plus blue equals ?
Replies: 5
Views: 636

Re: Green plus blue equals ?

may i suggest with one of the green/blue hens pair this to a blue pallid cock which aren't that much different in price from a normal blue and are easy to get and beautifull. This pairing then will produce 50% green pallid hens,and 50% blue pallid hens. Cocks will be 50% blue/pallid and50% green/blu...
by smick
Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:06 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Normal or not for Color
Replies: 31
Views: 3754

Re: Normal or not for Color

I think its pbfd,because about 5years ago i bought a young turquoise hen thats tail feathers went like that at first moult which i believe isoften when it will show itself.i removed the bird and introduced it to nulla-nulla as i wouldn't risk the rest of my birds,the cock that was in with her is fin...
by smick
Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:17 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: eye colour of young pallidino
Replies: 3
Views: 447

Re: eye colour of young pallidino

Thanks,lushen for the reply. my young pallids have a deep red plum coloured eye whilst this birds eye is a light bright red. the flight are growing now and are white,so i would guess it is a lutino/blue hen,thanks mick
by smick
Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:10 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: eye colour of young pallidino
Replies: 3
Views: 447

eye colour of young pallidino

I have a pallidino cock paired to a blue pallid hen. from this pair i can get pallids split blue in cocks and hens as well as pallidino cocks and ino/blue hens. My question is that in the nest is two green pallids and one yellow bird that i'm not sure is a ino or a pallidino :? . this baby has brigh...
by smick
Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:54 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What Should I Expect
Replies: 4
Views: 419

Re: What Should I Expect

Hi Missybuddygirl, from the blue cock to grey(sf)blue hen you will get both 50% grey and blue cocks and hens. if i'm correct for pair 2, 1.0 grey(sf)blue x 0.1 D green % from all1.0 25% 1.0 grey(sf)green/blue 25% 1.0 green/blue 25% 1.0 D grey(sf)green/blue 25% 1.0 D green /blue % from all 0.1 the re...
by smick
Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:28 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: gray cock x green pallid hen
Replies: 1
Views: 291

Re: gray cock x green pallid hen

Jerry, you would get from
1.0 grey(sf)blue cock
x 0.1 green pallid hen
1.0 50% grey(sf)green/blue pallid cocks
1.0 50% green/blue pallid cocks

0.1 50% grey(sf)green/blue hens
0.1 50% green/blue hens.

Hope this helps,thanks Smick.
by smick
Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:05 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: What colors are desired? What mutation is most popular?
Replies: 4
Views: 727

Re: What colors are desired? What mutation is most popular?

I think it comes down to personal taste and whats more usable to produce different colours. I personaly do not like greys,greygreens,olives,mauves. I think grey is a hard colour to use from being dominate and i for one don't want them. I was given a mature grey cock recently but am giving it to a fr...
by smick
Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:28 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Is this true???
Replies: 13
Views: 1083

Re: Is this true???

Sorry to put my 5 cents in,but could a silver lacewing be greyblue sf cinnamon pallid?. not really into grey's but this would be a nice hen. i was just given a grey cock and can't find a use for him,so i'm giving him away again to a friend.
by smick
Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:09 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Gencalc results-not quite a match
Replies: 27
Views: 1397

Re: Gencalc results-not quite a match

I haven't seen a ino-cinnamon ringneck but have seen ino-cinnamon eastern rosella's and they do express both colours . they appear to first be just a lutino but when you compare the flights and tails you notice a lutino has white flights and tail whilst the ino-cinnamon has light cinnamon wash throu...
by smick
Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:49 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Indigo? Turquoise? Violet Pallid with pics
Replies: 206
Views: 27868

Re: Indigo? Turquoise? Violet Pallid with pics

Hi all,very interesting read :) . Glenn i wait with antisipation the photo's of Indigo Violet pallid as i'm am thinking off trying to breed this colour. At the moment i have a Indigo blue cock bird possible split pallid with a double factor violet blue hen,they are sitting on 4 eggs that i hope will...
by smick
Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:45 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinn Clearhead babies?
Replies: 42
Views: 2408

Re: Cinn Clearhead babies?

Hi carmen,they look very similar to the green pallid chicks that i bred last year,which had the red eyes,ajd a yellow colour with a green tinge,thanks smick.
by smick
Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:24 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: small babies
Replies: 6
Views: 482

Re: small babies

With first time parents,and you think they are stunted it's a good idea to check the crops morning and late afternoon if they are allways empty and the chicks are constantly begging then they may need pulling for handraising.if only one is small you can pull him out before dark and give a top up fee...
by smick
Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:17 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: small babies
Replies: 6
Views: 482

Re: small babies

With first time parents they sometimes don't feed them well and this can be any parrot species. allways check the crops when you think they are stunted or with first time parrots this will gage if they are feeding the young well.if morning and night the crops look empty and the chicks are constantly...
by smick
Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:02 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: My pairings for the 2012 season
Replies: 186
Views: 13528

Re: My pairings for the 2012 season

G'day Lushen,following the post with interest. One question do you put in each time the pairings at the bottom of post or is there a way to save it and add it everytime :? . My pairs are going ok with 2 prs sitting and the other 2 prs mating and entering boxs. pr1 turquiose blue pallid cock to blue ...
by smick
Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:35 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: trying something different
Replies: 2
Views: 416

Re: trying something different

Jarred,i have been breeding eastern rosella's for about twenty years,they are a great bird.i mainly breed lutino mutations. but last year bought a possible tripple split cock (lutino/cinnamon/red). i put this to a lutino hen,only one young that year a red hen,this hen i have put in with a lutino coc...
by smick
Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:13 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: help please
Replies: 17
Views: 1385

Re: help please

I currently have both a cock turquoise blue and a indigo blue cock in side by side avairies and there is a deffenant colour difference. The turq has more green suffused through the front of the body,whilst the indigo blue has a unusual almost slate blue front, where i purchased him from all the indi...
by smick
Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:10 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: 8 irn's how to set up pairs for the future
Replies: 4
Views: 563

Re: 8 irn's how to set up pairs for the future

Lady calypso,interesting birds exspecially that pair that throws all those colours from olive and silver. my pairs set up for this season ,turquiose blue pallid cock x blue hen green pallid/blue cock x blue pallid hen indigo blue/pallid cock x df violet blue hen turquiose blue/ino cock x creamino hen
by smick
Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:15 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: this is my blue cock bird.
Replies: 6
Views: 560

Re: this is my blue cock bird.

Jarred,a bird cannot be split violet when a blue bird paired to a blue violet will give both visual blue and blue violet young,the blue birds will be straight blue. your bird is a normal blue cock but could be still split to a sex linked mutation depending on his parents,eg if he's father was a blue...
by smick
Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: help please
Replies: 17
Views: 1385

Re: help please

From what i know about gencalc,to check your cock bird if it's a visual turquiose grey then you check grey sf and turquiose and blue. but with the hen are far as i know there is no indigo in gencalc to check and all you can enter her is as a turquiose and blue.but herein lye's the problem how do you...
by smick
Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:58 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: best colour to put with a green hen and a green cock
Replies: 7
Views: 1063

Re: best colour to put with a green hen and a green cock

Only new at mutations myself but i think to produce mutation colours quickly from normal greens you probably would be best to pair to another co-dominant mutation such as grey (bluegrey) and violet (blueviolet),both these depending on which sex is what% will give coloured young such as greygreen/blu...
by smick
Sun May 20, 2012 1:33 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: DF violet cobalt?
Replies: 16
Views: 2998

Re: DF violet cobalt?

It might be because i'm new to mutations :roll: but if he's trying to get as purple as possible and when i see these cobalts and mauve's, i see to much grey :? . I wonder if it's better to hunt for the best purple looking DF violets and pair them together :!: , my DF violet hen looks more purple to ...
by smick
Sat May 12, 2012 10:53 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: turquiose grey pallid hen
Replies: 2
Views: 491

Re: turquiose grey pallid hen

Thanks for the reply Angeldc77,the green/blue pallid hen is starting to feed the blue pallid hen so will keep together as is is the first time she's accepted a male. I will see if my mate will by the blue/pallid cock from me as he's a spare anyway.
by smick
Tue May 08, 2012 2:23 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: turquiose grey pallid hen
Replies: 2
Views: 491

turquiose grey pallid hen

My mate just bought this turquiose grey pallid hen and plans to pair it to he's green pallid cock which isn't split. But from this pairing he will get grey pallids and green pallids all split to turquiose. He's on a tight budget so i suggested a turquiose cock/pallid, but other options could be blue...
by smick
Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:02 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Lacewing Genetics question
Replies: 8
Views: 1314

Re: Lacewing Genetics question

If i'm correct and the pair is blue/pallid cock and lutino/blue hen then the blue chick will be a cock and the pallids would be hens, being pallid is a sex linked mutation. But this combo wont get the turquoise blue pallid? so the hen may be creamino as rod said and you would have to dna the blue bi...
by smick
Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: indigo blue/lacewing cock to double factor violet hen
Replies: 6
Views: 1221

Re: indigo blue/lacewing cock to double factor violet hen

Thanks Rod, i will leave the pairings as is. I may buy a albino hen to put with the green lacewing spit blue.
by smick
Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:10 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: indigo blue/lacewing cock to double factor violet hen
Replies: 6
Views: 1221

Re: indigo blue/lacewing cock to double factor violet hen

Thanks Rod,i think your probably right and just check turquoise blue / split lacewing for the cock and subsitute indigo for the results. I have left to pair up myself, a green lacewing cock/blue, blue/lacewing cock and a blue lacewing hen so i still need one more hen and not sure what to get. I was ...
by smick
Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:31 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: indigo blue/lacewing cock to double factor violet hen
Replies: 6
Views: 1221

Re: indigo blue/lacewing cock to double factor violet hen

Yes this helps Molussus and thanks, and i did have a general idea as to the offspring but i still can't figure out how to find mutations like indigo,aqua, emerald in genecalc?. I must be looking wrong. For a green lacewing (pallid) cock what would some suggest as to a good hen. Would turquoise be a ...
by smick
Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:51 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: indigo blue/lacewing cock to double factor violet hen
Replies: 6
Views: 1221

indigo blue/lacewing cock to double factor violet hen

G'day ive bought a indigo blue/lacewing cock to put with my double factor violet hen. I can't see how you put this cock bird into gencalc?. If i'm right i should get violet blue cocks,indigo violet blue cocks, indigo violet blue lacewing hens and violet lacewing hens. My mate bought a green lacewing...
by smick
Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:23 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: double factor violet blue hen
Replies: 7
Views: 1238

Re: double factor violet blue hen

Glen i'm in Thirlmere near Picton, half hr south of Campbelltown,thanks Mycoola
by smick
Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:50 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Green Cock and Yellow Buttercup Hen
Replies: 10
Views: 1081

Re: Green Cock and Yellow Buttercup Hen

I'm really only a newee to mutations myself and someone like Rod38 would be a better judge. Someone must know how to fix your quota problem :?
by smick
Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:48 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Green Cock and Yellow Buttercup Hen
Replies: 10
Views: 1081

Re: Green Cock and Yellow Buttercup Hen

I'm no expert but it can't be a pallidino hen,my guess is a green pallid hen but as we know need to see a photo.
by smick
Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:27 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: double factor violet blue hen
Replies: 7
Views: 1238

Re: double factor violet blue hen

I will stick with the blue split pallid cock to the double factor violet,thanks for the advice and the pastle violet lacewing cock would be good if you can find them at a reasonable price maybe in a season or too. The tourquise blue split ino cock was originally meant to pair to the creamino hen but...
by smick
Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:10 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: double factor violet blue hen
Replies: 7
Views: 1238

double factor violet blue hen

G'day i now have a young double factor violet blue hen,i have a choice of two cock birds for her 1),blue split pallid(lacewing) or 2), tourquiose blue split ino. The blue cock has allready been feeding her and pairing up with her,and is probably my first choice for her but if the other cock is bette...
by smick
Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:07 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Green pallid cock to Creamino hen
Replies: 2
Views: 714

Re: Green pallid cock to Creamino hen

How do you tell a cock green pallid from a green pallidino,when i bought him i thought i was told he was a pallidino /blue. He is almost as yellow as my lutino hen but a slightly different shade, neck ring is brownish in colour.
by smick
Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:45 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Green pallid cock to Creamino hen
Replies: 2
Views: 714

Green pallid cock to Creamino hen

My Green pallid cock/blue and Creamino hen ,had two young both look to be green pallid, but their body's are more lime green with a yellow head,flight and tail feathers, are they both hens because their father is more yellow all over with a very slight green tinge,or is this because he's split blue,...
by smick
Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:30 am
Forum: Share Your Flock With The Family
Topic: Red rump Parrot mutations
Replies: 4
Views: 2842

Re: Red rump Parrot mutations

Hi Julie only have the two young a normal hen and the interesting cock,my guess it is a platinum ino,a combination of platinum,lime and ino. Keeping him, but next season if more young like him will sell,the hen will be sold but its only a normal. The good thing about Redrumps is most mutations are r...
by smick
Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:58 am
Forum: Share Your Flock With The Family
Topic: Red rump Parrot mutations
Replies: 4
Views: 2842

Re: Red rump Parrot mutations

The young cock is colouring up quite interesting-strong yellow all down the front,red rump,softer light yellow on wings and back,silvery yellow head with a slight green tinge above beak and a cinnamon looking tail.Young lutino cocks iv'e seen are all a deep yellow and hens light yellow. I might keep...
by smick
Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:45 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: leave the nest
Replies: 8
Views: 1618

Re: leave the nest

G'day there are different opinions as to the cause of splayed legs but i think often its either from the bottom of the nest box being too smooth or from the hen sitting on the young for to long when at a age that she should have spent more time out of the box. I would check the bottom of the box fir...
by smick
Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:38 am
Forum: Share Your Flock With The Family
Topic: Red rump Parrot mutations
Replies: 4
Views: 2842

Red rump Parrot mutations

G'day does anybody have idea's about Red rump mutations?. I have a normal split lutino male in with a white lime hen. They have two young, a normal looking hen and what appears to be a lutino male?, they are feathering up now and this bird is lutino in colour with a red rump which means a cock. I ca...
by smick
Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:18 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: eye colour of pallids
Replies: 1
Views: 359

eye colour of pallids

G'day i read in a previous post about pallids eyes being red or plum coloured, are all pallid eyes plum coloured-ie blue pallid,green pallid,turquiose blue pallid in both sexs? :?
by smick
Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:06 am
Forum: Alexandrine Parrot
Topic: preening during courtship
Replies: 1
Views: 842

preening during courtship

This is my first Alex pr and they have been courting and mating with the hen spending a long time in the log. The question is my male gently preens the hens wings from the shoulder right down to the tip of outside flight feathers before mating occurs is this common with Alex's because i haven't seen...
by smick
Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:00 am
Forum: IRN Lounge
Topic: Major Mitchell Cockatoo and Galah
Replies: 2
Views: 1170

Major Mitchell Cockatoo and Galah

I have a male Major Mitchell and a male Galah that have been together for about ten years,given to me and both were ex wires birds (wild birds that were hurt). Both birds were car hit victoms and cannot fly. The problems is they have paired up like a couple and i would like to find correct partners ...
by smick
Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:58 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: pastel in gencalc
Replies: 7
Views: 998

Re: pastel in gencalc

thanks for your view Madas,what would you suggest pairing the blue pallid hen to. If i could afford it i thought of maybe a violet cock, i don't want to breed green birds if possible so i don't think i would want a grey green cock.. would a turquoise cock be a good pairing to get good colours? if i ...
by smick
Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:58 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: pastel in gencalc
Replies: 7
Views: 998

Re: pastel in gencalc

Thanks glen so i was right from the gene calc. I have a blue pallid hen and i'm thinking to look for either a blueino cock,ino/blue cock or blue/ino cock to pair with her to get cock pallidino's.Thanks Smick
by smick
Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:03 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: pastel in gencalc
Replies: 7
Views: 998

Re: pastel in gencalc

Thanks Glen so my cock pastel blue lacewing in gencalc is a parblue pallid?. They bred for the first time last year and the young were a blue male and a blue pallid hen . Are both young split for parblue?. Can i get parblue and blue cocks split pallid and parblue pallid and blue pallid hens from thi...
by smick
Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:23 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: pastel in gencalc
Replies: 7
Views: 998

pastel in gencalc

g'day all i was looking in gencalc.com at the indian ringneck genetics and was wondering how do you put pastel in it?. I have a pastel blue pallid cock to a blue hen, but i couldn't work out what to put for pastel. Is pastel recessive and can birds be split to it?
by smick
Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:29 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Fertility Questions
Replies: 4
Views: 458

Re: Fertility Questions

I too had a proven pair this time have infertile eggs, she is laying again so i hope this time good. i also had a young pr with infertile eggs as well. I don't think its diet because everbody's feeding regime would be different. Is it possible the thunderstorms we have been having causing it.But say...
by smick
Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:07 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Pallid & PallidIno
Replies: 20
Views: 1566

I HAVE A HEN COLOURED LIKE THIS BIRD AND HER WINGS ARE ALLMOST CLEAR BLUE AS IS HER TAIL. IS THE TOURQUISE NAME MEANING THE SAME AS A PASTEL BLUE, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TOLD MINE IS.
by smick
Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:38 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Thunder affecting eggs/chicks?
Replies: 2
Views: 344

YES I THINK THUNDER OR THE ELECTRICAL TENSION IN THE AIR CAN KILL THE CHICKS. I HAVE HAD DEAD IN THE SHELL CHICKS AFTER STORMS AND MY MOTHER WITH CHICKENS FIRST TOLD ME ABOUT THIS FROM WHEN SHE WORKED AT A BREEDER AND PROCESSING FARM FOR DUCKS,QUAIL AND PHESANTS AND HAS SEEN LOSSES IN THE INCUBATORS...
by smick
Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:19 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: BREEDING PAIRS
Replies: 1
Views: 435

BREEDING PAIRS

WITH MY RINGNECKS I BOUGHT A ALBINO RINGNECK AS A POSSIBLE COCK BUT IT MUST BE A HEN AS THE LUTINO COCK BIRD HAS PAIRED UP WITH IT AND IS FEEDING IT. WITH A LUTINO COCK TO A ALBINO HEN WILL I GET LUTINO COCKS AND HENS SPLIT BLUE?. I WENT TO A BIRD SALE AND BOUGHT A MUTURE PASTEL LACEWING COCK WHICH ...
by smick
Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:51 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: BREEDING MY RINGNECKS
Replies: 3
Views: 857

THANKS RECIO FOR YOUR ADVICE ON PAIRING,IT SOUNDS GOOD. I'M NOT SURE WHAT SPLIT INO MEANS IS IT SHORT FOR SPLIT LUTINO?. WHAT DO PALLIDINO'S LOOK LIKE? FROM THESE YOUNG WHICH WOULD BE BEST TO KEEP AND PAIR TOGETHER?. WOULD A PALLIDINO SPLIT BLUE TO A TURQUOISE INO BE GOOD?. I'M NEW TO RINGNECK COLOU...
by smick
Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:22 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: BREEDING MY RINGNECKS
Replies: 3
Views: 857

BREEDING MY RINGNECKS

MY TWO LUTINO'S ARE BROTHER AND SISTER SO I DON'T WANT THEM TO PAIR UP. I FOUND OUT THE PARENTS TO MY BLUE COCK ARE BLUELACEWING COCK AND PASTEL GREY HEN . WOULD THIS BLUE MALE BE SPLIT LACEWING AND PASTEL. I AM THINKING OF PAIRING THIS BLUE COCK TO THE PASTEL BLUE HEN. THE LUTINO COCK TO A BLUE HEN...
by smick
Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:54 pm
Forum: IRN Lounge
Topic: How many birds ...
Replies: 42
Views: 3199

how many birds

6 INDIAN RINGNECKS, 3 KING PARROTS, 22 BUDGIES, 7 SCARLET CHESTED ,4 EASTERN ROSELLA, 2 CRIMSON ROSELLA,2 SUPERB PARROTS,2 PRINCESS PARROTS, 1 TURQUISINE PARROT, 2 BOURKES PARROT, 1 REDWING PARROT, 1 PLUMHEAD PARROT,3 HOODED PARROTS.......FINCHS ... 18 GOULDIANS,6 DOUBLE BARS,2 STARS,2 JACARINI, 6 B...
by smick
Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:19 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: GENETIC PAIRING FOR MY RINGNECKS
Replies: 2
Views: 397

GENETIC PAIRING FOR MY RINGNECKS

:?: G'DAY I'M SMICK . I ALLREADY HAVE ONE BREEDING PR OF LUTINO'S, BOTH FROM LUTINO TO LUTINO PARENTS. I RECENTLY PURCHASED TWO HENS, ONE IS A SKYBLUE PASTEL WHO WAS BRED FROM A PASTEL BLUE/SPLIT CINNAMON COCK AND A SKYBLUE PASTEL HEN. THE SECOND HEN IS SKYBLUE IN COLOUR BUT HER PARENTS WERE A BLUE ...