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by madas
Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:49 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: clearhead fallow opaline
Replies: 29
Views: 4370

Re: clearhead fallow opaline

Has anyone produced a CHF Opaline bird yet ? appreciate if anyone can pls share reference snaps of an adult CHF Opaline male thanks Ask Sjack for pics of such a combo. He has breed one (femlae) in 2015. But the bird isn't as nice as an opaline CT. And a male will get the head of a CHF. For now such...
by madas
Mon May 23, 2016 4:22 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: harlequin pallid
Replies: 2
Views: 502

Re: harlequin pallid

Both are melanin altering mutation. So a combination should be avoided because you will end up with "lutino" looking birds.
So best way is the combine both mutations with structual (dark, violet, deep) or (and) parblue (turquoise, indigo, aqua) mutations.
by madas
Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:21 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: deep Violet?
Replies: 4
Views: 813

Re: deep Violet?

Kappa wrote:It looks like a double factor violet cobalt.
Yeah i would agree with you Kappa.
by madas
Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:18 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 3966

Re: Deep

The blueish rump in micks pic:

Image
by madas
Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:47 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 3966

Re: Deep

Ma das wrong photo the photo refered to is of a single bird and clearly marked first aussie mauve and even better would be to find out how it was bred. :lol: :lol: :lol: there was a bunch of 5-8 pics showing one and the same "aus mauve" in comparison with some other birds like pallids and so on. Bu...
by madas
Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:12 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 3966

Re: Deep

There is a photo of the first Australian Mauve on Mick Blakes site Karmic Averies I think it was taken in early 2003-4 I think Ma das would be interested in that. No madas wouldn't be interested in these pics because he already has and know them. And it is showing nothing more then a Misty(df) blue...
by madas
Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:52 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 3966

Re: Deep

It is my opinion that these birds do form part of the dark mutation which has been confirmed by MUTAVI and the proving of it being a different mutation has been inadequate and flawed as this mutation has never been documented as to how it behaves in a controlled breeding program that is devoid of o...
by madas
Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:12 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 3966

Re: Deep

Hi Madas, I have a small number of birds, 6 to be exact, that originate from a cock bird that is better known as a Swales olive. Gavin Swales worked with these green birds for years and bred a number of them in df and called them olives. The Deep blues were eventually bred from these green birds. H...
by madas
Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:01 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 3966

Re: Deep

Kappa wrote: yet my breeding results to date don't reflect the outcomes you'd expect from deeps.
Can you give us some more details?

thx in advance.
by madas
Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:00 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 3966

Re: Deep

Deep is a confussing unnecessary term used to create interest in varying expressions of Dark mutation. And again you prove your non-existing knowledge on avian genetics. The dark factor by definition is incomplete dominant and is creating a greyish phenotype for the homozygous form. Any other struc...
by madas
Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:52 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Is this a creamino?
Replies: 1
Views: 607

Re: Is this a creamino?

No. Looks more like a cinnamon grey(sf) turqBlue.
by madas
Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:51 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Biallelic expresion
Replies: 27
Views: 4134

Re: Biallelic expresion

Since we know that this is valid for Violet and Grey I guess that CTCH could be also acting at the structural level, producing secondary changes in pigment expression. But keep in mind that mostly (98%) the dominant mutations are changing the structur and the recessive mutations are responsible for...
by madas
Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:12 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Biallelic expresion
Replies: 27
Views: 4134

Re: Biallelic expresion

Recio wrote: To me, Indigo is not a mutation but a morphotype (...) which can be achieved through different alleles.
Hm, i thought different alleles are the cause for a mutation. :(

madas
by madas
Tue May 26, 2015 4:10 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Grey green ID?
Replies: 1
Views: 674

Re: Grey green ID?

And what is the question?
by madas
Fri May 22, 2015 5:41 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: The saddle is back
Replies: 35
Views: 4692

Re: The saddle is back

Looks like Turquoise marker.
by madas
Thu May 07, 2015 2:54 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: The saddle is back
Replies: 35
Views: 4692

Re: The saddle is back

Some updated pics of Bobs parblues from the org. "SB" female of OZ. Thx Bob for your contribution. violet(sf) female: http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/sam2380snepy6mv0z.jpg violet(sf) male: http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/sam23785k0hvjadil.jpg http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/sam2...
by madas
Thu May 07, 2015 2:53 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?
Replies: 27
Views: 2901

Re: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?

To make it shorter: if you pair a phenotypic Parblue to Blue and you never get Parblue offspring and/or you get green series offspring you should consider the possibility of dealing with a new Parblue belonging to another locus (Blue2). As said 1000 times in earlier posts Bob Irvine has breed two "...
by madas
Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:51 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?
Replies: 27
Views: 2901

Re: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?

we only have one nest from Irvine suggesting that it is another Blue(1) allele. I think that it is not enough to conclude. On the one hand you are excepting that a single unexpected offspring could prove resp. disprove a theory (for example: single green offspring from a pair bronze fallow x NSLino...
by madas
Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:12 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?
Replies: 27
Views: 2901

Re: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?

To make it shorter: if you pair a phenotypic Parblue to Blue and you never get Parblue offspring and/or you get green series offspring you should consider the possibility of dealing with a new Parblue belonging to another locus (Blue2). As said 1000 times in earlier posts Bob Irvine has breed two "...
by madas
Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:47 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: The saddle is back
Replies: 35
Views: 4692

Re: The saddle is back

To me the most impressive finding in Bob Irvine's female is that the melanin and psittacin deposition seems to be mostly independent, specially in the body (head colour is not easy to determine), that is I can not see a single feather showing a green colour, but just yellow or blue or white colours...
by madas
Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:37 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: The saddle is back
Replies: 35
Views: 4692

Re: The saddle is back

1. The red ring of a Turquoise Emerald (or TurquoiseEmerald, selon hypothesis) shows a lower amount of red psittacin than a TurquoiseBlue bird. This statement isn't correct. The emeraldTurquoise of Len Mitchel are showing a normal pink neckring. http://img4.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/1042214315614...
by madas
Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:11 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: The saddle is back
Replies: 35
Views: 4692

Re: The saddle is back

Chris SB, as I specified above, seems to be a combo of Dom Pied lacking melanin in the saddle area + specific Parblue with an increase in psittacin pigment specially in the saddle area. Look at those pics: http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag57/jrecio99/SaddlebackViolet_1_zpszaxdbxwv.jpg http://i...
by madas
Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:46 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: The saddle is back
Replies: 35
Views: 4692

Re: The saddle is back

You wrote ..... "Bob Irvine has breed two violet(sf) "parblue"Blue offspring birds from Garrys famous first "saddleback" hen of OZ paired to plain blue." Could you show us the pics of these parblues bred from SB? We know that Emeralds breed Emeralds, Indigo breed Indigos and Turquoise breed Turquoi...
by madas
Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:24 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: The saddle is back
Replies: 35
Views: 4692

Re: The saddle is back

So here is some new input to the saddleback discussion. Attached some pics of an emerald dom pied. undewing which is showing the typical emerald markers: http://img3.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/10959461102915isw28q7hve.jpg short after leaving the nest: http://img3.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/1546386...
by madas
Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:08 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: The saddle is back
Replies: 35
Views: 4692

Re: The saddle is back

as breeding results not producing Turquoise birds after pairing to Blue series birds seems to suggest (could it be a Parblue 2???). This statement is not correct because Bob Irvine has breed two violet(sf) "parblue"Blue offspring birds from Garrys famous first "saddleback" hen of OZ paired to plain...
by madas
Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:19 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Mistyerious clutch
Replies: 9
Views: 2471

Re: Mistyerious clutch

They look like the khaki violets of Mr. Ehrenbrink.

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by madas
Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:07 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am I?
Replies: 3
Views: 1433

Re: What am I?

One of the parents was a malabar (Psittacula columboides). Second unsure. :)
Maybe Psittacula alexandri or Ringneck.
by madas
Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:54 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: african ringneck
Replies: 8
Views: 1491

Re: african ringneck

ZaneFindlay wrote:I also have mutations in both species
May i ask which mutations do you have? I know of only lutino and possibly blue.
by madas
Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: saddleback emerald
Replies: 10
Views: 2938

Re: saddleback emerald

Some other pics of Chris. He will comment on his own.

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by madas
Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:50 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: saddleback emerald
Replies: 10
Views: 2938

Re: saddleback emerald

Underwing pics:

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by madas
Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:22 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 3878

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Hi Recio, here is a pic of a possible cinnamon-ino blue breed this season here in Germany. Unfortunately the bird died caused by a crash followed by a neck fracture. :( Do you see the soft brownish overlay? This is the pheneotype i would expect for such a bird. Your cinnamon-lutino looks much more d...
by madas
Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:15 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Lutino Cinnamon/blue
Replies: 10
Views: 2228

Re: Lutino Cinnamon/blue

Not a cinnamon-ino but a cinnamon-ino blue:

Image
by madas
Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:07 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: saddleback emerald
Replies: 10
Views: 2938

saddleback emerald

Chris has asked me to post some pics of his first "saddleback emerald" breed from saddleback blue x dom. pied emerald cobalt.

Image

Image

Happy viewing.
by madas
Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: NSLino
Replies: 4
Views: 1291

Re: NSLino

Recio wrote:Hi Madas,

Are you sure it was about NSL Ino? I read it also somewhere in facebook but if I remember correctly it was about a kind of fallow (dun fallow???)

Regards

Recio
Yes i am sure it was NSLino.
by madas
Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:13 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: NSLino
Replies: 4
Views: 1291

NSLino

Hi Are there two kinds of NSLino floating around in IRNs? For sure the "NSLino" out of cleartail lines are showing a visible iris. But Peter Oeschger mentioned some where that his "NSLino" isn't showing a visible iris. So is there anybody who can confirm the existence of two distinct recessive lutin...
by madas
Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:06 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Green?
Replies: 33
Views: 4293

Re: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Gree

sheyd wrote: Image
Looks like two distinct phenotypes. SL Edged b irds in dark(sf) green and violet(sf) green. :)
by madas
Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:03 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Green?
Replies: 33
Views: 4293

Re: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Gree

sheyd wrote:Yes, I think its pretty safe to say that she's a Violet(sf) Dark(sf) Green :D
Looks like Violet(sf) Dark(sf) Green for me too. So congratulation.
by madas
Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:27 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4228

Re: What am i? (again)

Madas, Did you get any updates on the DNA results ? I still think Opaline is in play. We have seen Opaline to turn into white headed bird in Phil's "DF Pied Opaline" So here are the males: Misty SL Edged IndigoBlue Grey /Cinnamon /Lutino and the other is SL Edged turqBlue /Cinnamon /Lutino? Conside...
by madas
Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:21 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4228

Re: What am i? (again)

Ring0Neck wrote: PS: Does anyone know what the results were from this testbreeding program?
http://www.mutavi.info/index.php?ref=appeal2
I have asked Inte and he told me that there are no conclusive results regarding this breeding programm due to low participation. :(

madas
by madas
Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:38 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Recio ,, Madas et al... of the 2 pairs of alex : pr 1 emerald green /blue - Albino pr 2 Emerald green/blue - green/blue I have been breeding emerald blues , emerald greens and greens. I lost 3 red eyed offspring and perhaps 6 other chicks D I S due to bad incubator controls... this season I have a ...
by madas
Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:19 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Green?
Replies: 33
Views: 4293

Re: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Gree

sheyd wrote: Image
Interesting color of the downs. Very dark grey. But could be the pic.
by madas
Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:11 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Green?
Replies: 33
Views: 4293

Re: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Gree

If these (Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Green) are the odds then i would vote for the last option violet(sf) dark(sf) green. for comparison a oliv pos. violet(sf) and a violet(sf) dark(sf) green (siblings). parents violet(sf) dark(sf) indigoBlue and oliv /blue. the violet(sf) d...
by madas
Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:31 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Madas the green emerald hen is paired to a blue normal cock. 4 chicks..still to feather. thx. If you got one plain blue chick then emerald could be dominant. If all 4 are emerald blue series then it is 99% a rec. mutation but with small visible markers in the green series. :) Hi Lee & Madas, If you...
by madas
Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:27 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Molossus2 wrote:Madas the green emerald hen is paired to a blue normal cock.
4 chicks..still to feather.
thx. If you got one plain blue chick then emerald could be dominant. If all 4 are emerald blue series then it is 99% a rec. mutation but with small visible markers in the green series. :)
by madas
Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:00 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Mike,Willie ,,, my emerald green harlequin irn (the one i posted pics of sometime ago) produced what appears to be an emerald blue..it is the first of four chicks, and its pins are just pushing out. Whadya know? The green harlequin I stated to be an emerald green appears to be just that. I will pos...
by madas
Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:42 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can someone help please?
Replies: 11
Views: 1258

Re: Can someone help please?

How do the eyes of the parents look like? For what i can see from the pics tehy have no visible iris. Is it true?
by madas
Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:56 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can someone help please?
Replies: 11
Views: 1258

Re: Can someone help please?

mickeyd wrote:I could take a few pics and of the parents if that will help

Thanx
Would be nice.
by madas
Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:45 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 3878

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

I have not found the file I was looking for but those here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Genetics-Psittacine/conversations/topics/10 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Genetics-Psittacine/conversations/messages/14630 Hope it helps Recio Hi Recio, after reading through the whole discussion i...
by madas
Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:39 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can someone help please?
Replies: 11
Views: 1258

Re: Can someone help please?

========================================================= 1,0 cleartail turquoiseBlue x 0,1 cleartail turquoiseBlue ========================================================= % from all 1,0 1,0 25% cleartail blue 1,0 25% cleartail turquoise 1,0 50% cleartail turquoiseBlue ---------------------------...
by madas
Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:21 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 3878

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

I had the same idea that you have just developped... but it is not true. A Cinnamon-SL-Ino combo shows an increase in melanin (brown melanin) quantity respective to the amount of residual melanin (black melanin) present in a SL-Ino bird. This is due to a feedback effect on melanin synthesis. This w...
by madas
Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:15 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 3878

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Hm, but even a pallidIno is lighter in phenotype which is a combo of two alleles from the same locus and is expressing a blended phenotype of both mutations. So i would have assumed that a combo cinnamon and ino which aren't alleles of the same locus but closely linked would express the same color ...
by madas
Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:29 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6466

Re: Emerald, einmal

Johan S wrote:Thanks Ben. Unfortunately, these ones are already too old for what I want to see.
May i ask: what do you wanted to see? ;)

madas
by madas
Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:27 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5044

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

Johan S wrote:Madas, you are right. I didn't think that through properly. :oops:
No problem.
by madas
Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:25 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 3878

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Madas, if I recall, this bird of Tienie was test bred to confirm genotype. I don't recall the details, but Tienie can confirm. Hm, but even a pallidIno is lighter in phenotype which is a combo of two alleles from the same locus and is expressing a blended phenotype of both mutations. So i would hav...
by madas
Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:48 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 3878

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Thx for the pic Tienie but this bird still looks to dark for being a cinnamon-ino in my eyes. Do you have a side by side pic with a pallid green to compare both?

madas
by madas
Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:43 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 3878

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Recio I bred and own a cinnamon-ino/blue female and her change in phenotype from birth to maturity is spot on as decribed by Johan. I understand your point about the presence of the dark factor but my hen display a light head almost like a pallid. How old is the cinn-ino chf hen and will her body c...
by madas
Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:13 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 3878

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Cin-SL-Ino Violet Clearhead Fallow, IndigoBlue SL-Ino and a Green Cinnamon Violet Clearhead Fallow http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag57/jrecio99/P8281042_zps12aa1a9d.jpg Are you sure the bird on the right is a cinnamon chf violetgreen? Can't see any marker for chf beside the light head. But thi...
by madas
Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:08 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 3878

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Recio, Cinnamon-SLIno birds are born as ino's. It is only as they mature that the light green shade starts coming through. Hi Johan, This is the classic description, but I could see my bird was a Cinnamon-SLIno from feathering in the nest. As I wrote, probably this is due to the presence of Violet ...
by madas
Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:44 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5044

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

If we go with a SL Edged-Cinnamon female (crossed over, different mutations), I'd still pair her to a cinnamon cock. You will breed (2nd) crossed over cinnamon males, canceling the crossing over. Not many, but it can/will happen eventually. The male offspring should be homozygous cinnamon. If the f...
by madas
Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:19 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: How long between hatching and leaving the nest?
Replies: 9
Views: 1054

Re: How long between hatching and leaving the nest?

Thanks Madas, My entire German vocabulary consists of "nein" and Google Translate had issues translating the sites so I was dependent on "reading" the pictures. But it does look like it could be a solution for me if I can find a South African stockist and convince my bank manager why I need it. Edi...
by madas
Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:55 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: How long between hatching and leaving the nest?
Replies: 9
Views: 1054

Re: How long between hatching and leaving the nest?

Madas Thanks for the reply. An infrared camera would indeed be a great aid (I might dare say an invaluable aid in my case). How do they work? Are they available in South Africa and if so at what cost? The nest-box the female chose has an entrance hole (obviously, duh to myself) and an inspection ha...
by madas
Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:45 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: How long between hatching and leaving the nest?
Replies: 9
Views: 1054

Re: How long between hatching and leaving the nest?

Hi Wessel, incubation takes around 23 days +/- 2 counted from the third laid egg. After the youngsters hatched it takes around 7 weeks until they leaves the nestbox. Checking the nestbox once or twice a week is ok and the female isn't abandoning the clutch then. For people with mobility issues like ...
by madas
Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:12 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5044

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations

Ring0Neck wrote: but we have cinnamon edged hens (or are they?)
That's the billion dollar question. :)
by madas
Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:58 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5044

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

2) I have a hard time accepting that the specialist SL Edged / cinnamon / misty combo European breeders would have missed allelic interaction over the 10+ years they've been at it. Most of them even missed the SL incomplete dominante inheritance of Edged before the last 2-3 years. :) Some of them i...
by madas
Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:51 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5044

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations

Recio, Would this be the expected results for below pair if different allèles of the same mutation? ================================================= 1,0 cinnamon Edged x 0,1 cinnamon ================================================= 1,0 50% cinnamonEdged 1,0 50% cinnamon cinnamon -----------------...
by madas
Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:41 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5044

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

Please let us think about it some days. Isn't a thinking of 5 mins or so.

madas
by madas
Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:44 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Lacewing/Pallid Sex-linked question/confirmation
Replies: 2
Views: 505

Re: Lacewing/Pallid Sex-linked question/confirmation

If I have a pallid female and bred with a blue male which is not visible and is not split to pallid, I will have NO visable pallids, however all males will be split correct? Though, if I had a visable pallid male and bred with a blue female, all females will be visable pallid and all males will be ...
by madas
Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:09 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 3788

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

Recio wrote:confirmation from Intel
Thought Intel is making computer CPUs. Are they dealing with birds genetic too? :D :P

madas
by madas
Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:40 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Saddleback ?
Replies: 186
Views: 25973

Re: Saddleback ?

For me the feets look cinnamon but not sure too. So is there a chance that a combo of dom. pied and cinnamon could cause a translucent iris?

madas
by madas
Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:37 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Saddleback ?
Replies: 186
Views: 25973

Re: Saddleback ?

Here are some news pics from Chris of a special "saddleback" with red eyes and no visible iris. This bird was discussed earlier but couldn't find the exact thread. At that time Chris had the opinion it is due to the effects of a flash or an effect of the photography but he couldn't confirm it becaus...
by madas
Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:16 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Any ideas on what this is.
Replies: 20
Views: 2634

Re: Any ideas on what this is.

@Todd: please have a look at viewtopic.php?f=26&t=24468#p120011 :)
by madas
Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:46 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 3788

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

Hi Madas; 1. About nails colour: it mainly depends on melanin content and much less on structural changes. The bird showing black nails, also show a darker skin and a greener belly than the one showing ligth nails. These findings point to a different level in melanin content between both birds. You...
by madas
Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:21 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 3788

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

In the past budgi breeders said that Cinnamon should be avoided in their breeding programs because even split birds were one step ligther than pure birds. And this is my assumption too. So i am saying that mostly 95% of the so called SL Edged(df)-Cinnamons or SL Edged(sf)-Cinnamons are in real only...
by madas
Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:53 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 3788

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

Sorry i left one part "Means if a normal male is paired to a mutated female you will only get mutated males and non mutated females " So the expected results for a sex-linked mutation. Madas, I do not agree. I guess you have misread yourself because this is a matter you perfectly know. You should h...
by madas
Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:31 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 3788

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

... Means if a normal male is paired to a mutated female you will only get mutated males?... Edit: removed the nonsense and corrected the rest. Even the quote above is nonsense regarding a sex-linked rec. mutation Maybe the lighter "cinnamon" is a pastel (same mutation which Tienie is playing with)...
by madas
Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:25 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 3788

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

I added different angles if that helps Bird 2 http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q758/Traceyweller/001_zpsbd5e8d4e.jpg http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q758/Traceyweller/005_zps7265b6b5.jpg Bird 3 http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q758/Traceyweller/045_zps84bbaced.jpg http://i1357.photobucket...
by madas
Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:01 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4228

Re: What am i? (again)

Hi, and another mystery "Pallid" from a friend of mine out of indigo violet cobalt x indigo: http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img080619zxkv8ect.jpg http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/unbekanntjmhk3od8yn.jpg Until this season no pallids were breed from her parents and her grandparents. Wh...
by madas
Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:12 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Any ideas on what this is.
Replies: 20
Views: 2634

Re: Any ideas on what this is.

Coastal-Birds wrote: I am told that it is Martin that has these birds ,but a photo of the green one similar to mine with wing open would be good to see and see if bleaching is there also.
Nope. The breeder is Antonio Martins from Germany. I think he is on facbook if you use it.

madas
by madas
Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:21 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Any ideas on what this is.
Replies: 20
Views: 2634

Re: Any ideas on what this is.

Hi Madas,long time since ive chatted to you or anyone on here. Your link takes me to the so called Fusi page and all of these birds have what look like are SL Edge. My bird does not have these bleached wing feathers. And if this is only a new mutation in Germany how can it be here in Australia ? Th...
by madas
Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:07 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

Re: What am i?

Very nice, madas! I think we might be looking at the same combination of structural mutations on both green and blue birds, but I'm having a hard time interpreting the colour on my PC screen. Seems a bit blue. What are your thoughts on the colour? Both dark(sf) violet(sf)? Nope. The bird on the rig...
by madas
Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:59 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 2964

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Ring0Neck wrote: Back on the main subject, see pic below of Phil's Pied opaline which correlates to the last 2 birds in our topic pic (just add emerald) :)
For the second from the right i agree. The head looks steps darker like for the birds in the pic on Chris website.

madas
by madas
Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:54 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

Re: What am i?

Update:

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by madas
Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:42 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 2964

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Johan S wrote: Image
Any findings on the fact that grey combined with opaline produces the best opalines regarding the opaline markers???

opaline grey:

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by madas
Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:05 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 2964

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Recio wrote: Do you know if this specific parrot showing an effect of Opaline on psittacin expresssion and being able to hybridaze with IRN exist?
Maybe a plumhead??? :)

But what is wrong with the IRN opaline mutation? It shows all features to be classified as opaline. Or did i missed something???
by madas
Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:39 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 2964

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

adding another Parblue to emerald is going to make the bird greener not yellower. But only in regions of the body which haven't lost the melanins. :D So take the cleartail mutation in combination with parblue. The higher the "green" level the yellower the melanin free regions like belly or head (ma...
by madas
Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:32 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 27504

Re: SL Edged

Pity German is a so complicated language!!! Even for natives. :D The information in this web site is very important and I guess it comes from an international publication, very probably itself written in English. Could we acces the original report? Hm, don't know if there is an original? The pics o...
by madas
Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:51 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 27504

Re: SL Edged

and a cinnamon green as well.

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by madas
Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:41 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 27504

Re: SL Edged

@Madas: where did you pick that Misty acts on eumelanins? http://az-agz-farben-genetik.jimdo.com/def-misty/ Attached a pic of a cinnamon blue male. The body color looks grey as well. :) Now add Misty in ef or df. How will such a bird look like??? http://www.halsbandsittichmutationen.de/irn_ilyck_de...
by madas
Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:54 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 27504

Re: SL Edged

Pic below shows feet and upper and lower mandible http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47/SheyDock/2ce51a14-599b-4734-b576-cea0f6f6fa8c_zpsfbaf1dfb.jpg On my PC excatly this pic is showing a cinnamon blue bird with a Misty grey overlay. :( (blue all over the body) ??? If you take the pipette tool o...
by madas
Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:31 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 27504

Re: SL Edged

In this specific case I would bet that the bird is carrying as split a mutation acting primarily on feather structure and producing a clearhead by secondary decreasing melanin content (Clearhead Fallow, Cleartail, ???). Could we know the parents and grandparents of this bird? Don't agree with you. ...
by madas
Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:45 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 27504

Re: SL Edged

Molossus2 wrote:not cinnamon
The bird in question? For sure he is a cinnamon. Feets, beak, quills are matching.
by madas
Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:59 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 27504

Re: SL Edged

Hmm.. My personal experience and studying of Greys is limited since I haven't owned any before this year. I have heard others who say their normal Greys can have a blue through their heads at certain angles and lights- similar to what I have heard for some Dark Blue Greys. -to me he (his head) only...
by madas
Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:46 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

It's like saying an English man married a French woman and they have 6 Chinese kids Could be possible if both parents have gooks. :D The origin isn't always telling the exact appearance of a human. The opposite way could fit even better: "It's like saying a Chinese man married a Japanese woman and ...
by madas
Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:35 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 27504

Re: SL Edged

sheyd wrote: He has bred both Blue and Grey chicks I was told. - so heterozygous for grey
You were told but haven't proved it by your own, right? So do you really think that a "grey" bird can show a blue head and blue rump???
by madas
Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:55 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 27504

Re: SL Edged

Hm, i could be wrong but is this the same bird?

Image

For me the bird is showing a blue head and rump. With the grey overlay the bird has to carry at least one Misty gen (i would say two).

madas
by madas
Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:24 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Albino with caramel neck ring
Replies: 6
Views: 674

Re: Albino with caramel neck ring

Hi Glenn, I have bred a number of these birds that acquire the caramel neck ring in the cocks back in the late 1990's. They were very attractive birds and like many things in the mutations of ringnecks not given much attention at the time. Fortunately I have a friend close by that still has one of ...
by madas
Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:22 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Double factor violetblue Mauve
Replies: 6
Views: 841

Re: Double factor violetblue Mauve

Sheyd, I thought that would be the case. I have a pair set up which I believe are both df violetbluecobalts, one I breed and another I bought as a violetcobalt but it is too dark and rich in colour for a df violetblue. Time will tell, both very compatible and currently working the box. Do you have ...
by madas
Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:21 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Opaline or just normal?
Replies: 2
Views: 583

Re: Opaline or just normal?

Here are the pics:

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by madas
Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:14 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Albino with caramel neck ring
Replies: 6
Views: 674

Re: Albino with caramel neck ring

Just going back in time to birds that where breed some time ago that I haven't seen around anymore and trying to work out there genetic make up. Had a coversation with an old time breeder about albino cock birds displaying a caramel coloured neck ring that he breed some fifteen odd years ago. He co...
by madas
Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:23 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Opaline or just normal?
Replies: 2
Views: 583

Re: Opaline or just normal?

Try a pic hoster and post the links or simply send them to my mail:

mada_s(at)ymail.com
by madas
Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:05 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: picture mauve whitetail + violet mauve cleartail
Replies: 7
Views: 2077

Re: picture mauve whitetail + violet mauve cleartail

1,0 cleartail dark(df) violet(ef) blue (cleartail mauve violet):

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by madas
Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:50 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is it?
Replies: 12
Views: 1068

Re: What is it?

It was the tail, the black stripe seen in pic 2 that made me do it. :P my initial reaction : is this a Harlequin CT? not my bird. Here's another tail's tail http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/aza.jpg Can't be harlequin ct because of the dark main flights and the over all body color. But maybe they are spl...
by madas
Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:24 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is it?
Replies: 12
Views: 1068

Re: What is it?

Ring0Neck wrote:Turquoise grey cleartail hen it is.

An Indigo would not have as much psittacine/yellow esp. in head area of a young hen.
And thats all? So why the riddle? :shock:
by madas
Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:19 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is it?
Replies: 12
Views: 1068

Re: What is it?

Looks like a cleartail turq grey with a strange marked tail. :D
by madas
Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:16 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4228

Re: What am i? (again)

Recio, True, if breeder is certain that none of the parents of the fathers carried opaline. Secondly, i have never seen an Ino-Opaline & my thought is that it could be an allelic interaction between the 2 just like pallidino. Possibly giving us InoOpaline= pallid lookalike? has anyone bred an ino o...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:57 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4228

Re: What am i? (again)

Here is the other family:

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greetings.
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:34 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4228

Re: What am i? (again)

@Recio: I think SL Edged and cinnamon are linked (btw: we still have no correct info regarding the crossover rate between Sl Edged and Cinnamon). So maybe the youngsters are SL Edged-cinnamon-lutino. But as you know the crossover rate between cinnamon and lutino is very low for a normal green doubl...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:25 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4228

Re: What am i? (again)

So here are the males: Misty SL Edged IndigoBlue Grey /Cinnamon /Lutino ... was this male paired to a green series hen? wondering if the opaline grey-green we see in below pic might be from the same parents? Good eyes my friend. ;) The Misty SL Edged(sf) indigoBlue Grey /cinnamon /lutino was paired...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:56 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4228

Re: What am i? (again)

PS: how is the breeder sure no pallid is involved? Did he test for this by using other pallids, or is he going on "no pallids ever bred out of these birds". Because one of the fathers is for sure split for lutino so can't be split for pallid. The other is possible split for lutino because his fathe...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:09 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Help with buying new IRN
Replies: 1
Views: 338

Re: Help with buying new IRN

Hi all.... I'm buying 11 new IRN but need your help please. Can someone give me the new naming on them and advise if it is worth it. 2x Cobalt Lacewing ??? 2x Cobalt Turq 2X Cobalt Rainbow ??? 3x Blue/??? 1x Clearhead fallow 1x Rainbow........ All for R3000? Regardsb i think the new names should re...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:02 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4228

Re: What am i? (again)

They only other option is that they could possibly be fallows. :idea: Why do you say they aren't what they appear? Were they bred from black eyed parents and some of the offspring are male? The offspring looks female to me. Yeah both parents of each pair (two distinct pairs) are black eyed birds fr...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:47 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am I, recessive or a dominant Pied
Replies: 9
Views: 896

Re: What am I, recessive or a dominant Pied

Hi Madas, thankyou! so now that we are sure its a Rec. pied, I will have to get it DNA'd if this is actually a female! right? If it is a ADM rec. pied then normally couldn't tell if it is female or male. So a DNA is needed. There is another rec. pied mutation in OZ. Males of this mutation are showi...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4228

What am i? (again)

Hi, a friend of mine breed three unusual birds this season. From his breeding records they couldn't be what they look like (means Pallid). But see on your own: http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img88878j3mxy7f5b.jpg http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img89021uft9y3dzp.jpg http://img5.foto...
by madas
Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:37 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am I, recessive or a dominant Pied
Replies: 9
Views: 896

Re: What am I, recessive or a dominant Pied

Is a pied cap a give away for recessives? or are there other identifications as well? For ADM rec. pieds males don't get a neckring and following the holly bible of Mr. Bastiaan they should show dark red eyes with translucent iris. But i have learned that this isn't always the case. Even if the bir...
by madas
Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:32 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Another Puzzle...What am I?
Replies: 28
Views: 2060

Re: Another Puzzle...What am I?

Paul, I believe I have pictures illustrating exactly what you are talking about. The two birds in question are cobalt turquoiseblue, and the second cobalt indigoblue. The colour of the foreheads clearly illustrates the "different greens". I'd love to see these two birds in ino to compare the base y...
by madas
Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:02 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: white birds of violet whwt x violet whwt
Replies: 5
Views: 672

Re: white birds of violet whwt x violet whwt

this bird NSLino to a bleu whwt bird what can i breed depends on the makeup of the cleartail blue. If she is split for NSLino as well then you will get the following offspring (lets assume your NSL albino is carrier of one violet factor based on the 12,5% outcome): =================================...
by madas
Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: white birds of violet whwt x violet whwt
Replies: 5
Views: 672

Re: white birds of violet whwt x violet whwt

Sorry my first answer wasn't entirely correct. Both parents are visual cleartails so the offspring had to be cleartail as well. But the visual phenotype of the cleartail becomes overlapped by or mixed with the phenotype of NSLino (NSL albino). And to add the birds can be carrier of violet or violet(...
by madas
Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:53 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: white birds of violet whwt x violet whwt
Replies: 5
Views: 672

Re: white birds of violet whwt x violet whwt

I have breed this yes two white male birds of the combination of violet whwt * violet whwt how is that possible that i can breed two white male Hi Jürgen, you have breed two NSL Albinos. So both parents are at least split for NSLino. In the early years of whwts they were combined with NSLino in the...
by madas
Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:49 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Dark Factor? Dark Opline ?
Replies: 5
Views: 970

Re: Dark Factor? Dark Opline ?

@ Madas ... the father is split Opaline :) . Upsi. Thx for pointing out. ;) So hopefully here are the correct results: 1.0 blue violet(sf) /opaline x 0.1 blue violet(sf) cinnamon % from all 1.0 12.5% 1.0 blue /cinnamon 12.5% 1.0 blue violet(df) /cinnamon 25.0% 1.0 blue violet(sf) /cinnamon 12.5% 1....
by madas
Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:26 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Dark Factor? Dark Opline ?
Replies: 5
Views: 970

Re: Dark Factor? Dark Opline ?

http://www.cbcbirdclub.com/images/misc/01.JPG If you are talking about the bird in the middle (perched) then this bird looks like a opaline violet(DF) blue. But i must add it has a touch of cinnamon as well. But this bird can't be cinnamon opaline unless the father is split for cinnamon as well. He...
by madas
Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

Re: What am i?

update: http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img8903ueyxjzokf4.jpg http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img8895ai63r1ygj5.jpg http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img8893mbouegq25s.jpg Still unsure regarding the green bird. :( Maybe this version is helping: http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploa...
by madas
Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:19 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

Re: What am i?

Well, the topic is "What am I?" I'm going with pastel fischeri! :D I stopped breeding agapornis in 2000. Had to sell my collection to pay for my studies. Every now and then I think to myself, maybe I should throw 2 or 3 pairs in my IRN communal aviary for youngsters. The fischeri do have the most i...
by madas
Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:43 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

Re: What am i?

Johan S wrote: Spoken like a true personatus and fischeri breeder!
I am breeding personatus and fischeris too. ;)

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by madas
Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:33 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

Re: What am i?

Johan S wrote:
madas wrote:And to add the green series opaline showed a yellowish skin triangle in the neck. Any one who noticed this too?
Very interesting. Pity we don't have any green series opaline. :(
So breed one. :P You know it is always a better choice to pair a green series to a blue series bird. ;)
by madas
Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:32 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/Emerald%20mutation/IMG_2775_zps0989dfdb.jpg http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/Emerald%20mutation/IMG_2772_zps4f6724f6.jpg A side note: Are both birds of the same sub-species? The first looks like eupatria eupatria and the second li...
by madas
Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:21 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

The three alleles of the ABO gene are identified as IA, IB, and i, and the four blood groups are phenotypes produced by different combinations of these alleles. On the basis of genotype–phenotype (i.e., blood type) correlation, geneticists have concluded that IA and IB have complete dominance over ...
by madas
Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:36 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

Re: What am i?

Ring0Neck wrote: I'll go for Dark Violet Blue Opaline male
Dark Violet /Blue Opaline hen
:D
Yeap regarding the sex this is my guess too. But don't tell you why (for now)? :P
by madas
Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:09 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

Re: What am i?

Ring0Neck wrote: So the blue series did not have the triangle?
I didn't noticed one. :(

What color is the "violet" in your opinion? And please guess the sex of both birds. ;) I have an idea but DNA will prove or disprove.

madas
by madas
Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:15 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

Re: What am i?

Nicely Done ! The green series bird has a whiter down. Is this what you ment about Opaline in green series having a white down? Yeap thx i will forward it to the parents. :) Correct the green bird shows white downs. But both are opaline. ;) And to add the green series opaline showed a yellowish ski...
by madas
Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:04 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

Re: What am i?

Second clutch of opaline:

Image

high res:

http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads ... 5av4yl.jpg
by madas
Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:58 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Hi Madas et al A most interesting debate for me and I won't attempt to expand on the genetic theory other than to agree with you but I would like to say a couple of things about relevant breeding results. I have been breeding EmeraldBlue Cleartails and, as far as I can see, the emerald gene appears...
by madas
Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Madas hi, I do not see any reason why , if dominant and recessive alleles reside in the same loci in mammals , it cannot recur in birds. Lee please re-read my last post. The example for mammals which Johan posted was simply not correct regarding our discussion of emerald be dominant and parblue. Th...
by madas
Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:06 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

For the sake of simplicity, we usually teach genetics using examples with only two possible alleles (A and a). But a single gene can actually have many possible alleles (A, a, A1, A2, A', etc.). For example, hair color in mice is determined by a single gene with a series of alleles, each resulting ...
by madas
Sat May 31, 2014 3:04 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Almost all alleles of a locus that we know in aviculture interact the same to the wildtype (consider the SLino-locus with 3 alleles, bl-locus with 3 to possible 5+ alleles and the a-locus with 3 alleles). But this doesn't have to be the case. It simply means that blue and parblue can be recessive t...
by madas
Sat May 31, 2014 4:35 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Ring0Neck wrote: (If Emerald is= Parblue2@B1 then we would breed B1B2, B2B2 & B1B1 birds and phenotype proximity of say 98% pritty much similar looking blue birds phenotype.)
But i have my doubts that the B1B2 would be a "blue" looking birds. :)
by madas
Thu May 29, 2014 2:25 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Opaline comparison
Replies: 10
Views: 2312

Re: Opaline comparison

Recio wrote: add Blue Opaline
Have no opaline blue birds.
by madas
Thu May 29, 2014 2:20 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Opaline comparison
Replies: 10
Views: 2312

Re: Opaline comparison

It seems that the "width" of the refringent feather pattern is lower when structural mutations are present but there is only one example of Green Opaline to compare. Could you confirm? Hi Recio, well spotted. :D But it's only true for males as i noticed in my aviaries. :( The opaline violet(sf) blu...
by madas
Wed May 28, 2014 12:11 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Johan S wrote: So different alleles at the same locus shows a different mode of inheritance.
Isn't possible for my knowledge. All alleles of one and the same locus share the same inheritance.

madas
by madas
Mon May 26, 2014 3:38 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Mad Max wrote: How can turquoise be dominant if there are breeding resaults (In my own cages ) of two non turquoise birds giving offspring that are turquoise .
counter question:

Are these two birds green series birds? Means green body color?

madas
by madas
Sun May 25, 2014 7:22 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 8800

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Very hard to give an informed opinion when you have had very limited breeding experience to date with emerald. From what has been put forward by Mike in particular, I have a very strong leaning to partial/co dominant mutation .. recessive to green and dominant over blue as you put in your question....
by madas
Sun May 25, 2014 7:17 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 27
Views: 3383

Re: What is this dark Violet?

it must be a "blue series" bird because the tail and main flights are white. This is not the case for a "greygreen". :D madas Could be the effect of the Harlequin mutation. :wink: Deon Oh come on Deon. Any region affected by a pied mutation changes green to yellow and blue to white. Only chance to ...
by madas
Sun May 25, 2014 3:27 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 27
Views: 3383

Re: What is this dark Violet?

Deon Smith wrote:But this cannot be. Can this be a Grey TurqTurq Harlequin?


Deon
Yeah could be Grey Turq(homozyguos) Harlequin. Unfortunately i have no infos on the parents. I only got the pics label grey turq dom. pied. So could be turq or turqBlue.

madas
by madas
Sun May 25, 2014 3:19 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 27
Views: 3383

Re: What is this dark Violet?

Not turqBlue Harlequin but Grey turqBlue Harlequin. two distinct birds as you can see. Madas this must be a Greygreen TurqBlue Harlequin, given the wide, even distribution of psittacins in its base coloration. Deon Hi Deon, it must be a "blue series" bird because the tail and main flights are white...
by madas
Sat May 24, 2014 2:58 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 27
Views: 3383

Re: What is this dark Violet?

I have yet to see a TurquoiseBlue Harlequin that match this closely. Not turqBlue Harlequin but Grey turqBlue Harlequin. two distinct birds as you can see. http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/10295926248662atsw1uckvn.jpg http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/10014913248662hs7j5not1d.jpg http://...
by madas
Wed May 21, 2014 10:44 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3609

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

Thank you Johan, this is what I was seeking. What is your observation, in these saddle types, of the presence of parblue coloration while till in the nest, and its evolution further on? Deon Hi Deon, for the "Europe type" the youngsters show only some spots of green on the wing coverts then they ar...
by madas
Mon May 19, 2014 5:20 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 27
Views: 3383

Re: What is this dark Violet?

Deon Smith wrote: I have yet to see a TurquoiseBlue Harlequin that match this closely.
I think Ben already breed such a bird and another breeder in your country too. :D
by madas
Fri May 16, 2014 2:11 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 27
Views: 3383

Re: What is this dark Violet?

Hi Deon, the one on the right doesn't look like a "cobalt violet". Could be a "deep" df. Attached pic of a "cobalt violet" breed by a friend. Parents cobalt x indigo violet. http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img7347ohigc2y140.jpg I think this bird is resembling the same phenotype as your bird i...
by madas
Wed May 14, 2014 1:15 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3609

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

Thanks Madas & Bob for the info/pics. Recio, where are you? Looking at the 3 pieds non of them look the same, all 3 have different amount of yellow/green saddle, do you know the sexes of the offspring? could it be influenced by the structurals? LtoR Violet Parblue Pied, Cobalt Parblue Pied, ParBlue...
by madas
Tue May 13, 2014 11:23 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3609

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

prodigy wrote: the progressive pied in the collection that you have posted is a form of dominant pied
Are you sure? I would define it as a kind of "mottle" pied which then is a multifactorial recessive mutation(-combination) according to MUTAVI.
by madas
Tue May 13, 2014 10:03 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3609

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

I got the permission (great thx goes to Bob) to post the pic mentioned earlier. So here it is:

parents:

Image

offspring:

Image


madas
by madas
Tue May 13, 2014 7:04 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3609

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

Yesterday i got the info that the frist org. OZ violet saddleback has thrown two "saddletype turq" violet blues. Pic will be provided then i got the permission. So the statement that the saddlebacks don't breed normal (non-pied) turq birds isn't correct any more. madas Any Edged or Opaline offsprin...
by madas
Tue May 13, 2014 3:34 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Opaline comparison
Replies: 10
Views: 2312

Re: Opaline comparison

Ring0Neck wrote:Nicely done Madas!

Can you showcase the birds as well?
Will take some months. Birds still breeding and some start moulting. So at least 2-3 months to go before they are ready for a photo shooting. :(

madas
by madas
Tue May 13, 2014 3:28 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3609

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

Yesterday i got the info that the frist org. OZ violet saddleback has thrown two "saddletype turq" violet blues. Pic will be provided then i got the permission.
So the statement that the saddlebacks don't breed normal (non-pied) turq birds isn't correct any more.

madas
by madas
Mon May 12, 2014 6:08 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Opaline comparison
Replies: 10
Views: 2312

Opaline comparison

Some main flight feathers of opaline birds. Left to right: opaline green, 2x opaline violet(ef)green, opaline violet(df)green, opaline dark(df) green, opaline violet(ef)blue, opaline dark(df) blue, opaline dark(df) violet(ef) blue. Full sunlight: http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img8501c5yo9mx...
by madas
Wed May 07, 2014 3:44 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 8405

Re: Deep green revisited.

Ring0Neck wrote: Deeps with black flights
Is your display broken? :D Can't see a bird with black flights in the pics. :?:
by madas
Wed May 07, 2014 3:42 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 8405

Re: Deep green revisited.

samb05 wrote:It is the bird on the right that has been mislabeled. In this full pic it is a Deepblue and in willy crop pic its is a Cobalt
Yeah that's how i remembered it. thx for clearing up.
by madas
Wed May 07, 2014 2:37 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 8405

Re: Deep green revisited.

Ups. Sorry.

Already resolved. Haven't seen.

An extract of the 2nd pic was posted by Willy some months (years???) ago labeled left deep right dark.
So all you have to do for the first pic is compare the tail feathers (mostly color and length). :P

madas
by madas
Wed May 07, 2014 2:30 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 8405

Re: Deep green revisited.

Hi everyone, A puzzle from Martin. Which are the deeps and which are the cobalts? http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b583/Kappa1975/imagejpg2_zpsc2af3277.jpg http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b583/Kappa1975/imagejpg1_zps091a4522.jpg Easy one: 2nd pic deep, dark, deep. 1st pic dark, deep, deep.
by madas
Sun May 04, 2014 5:07 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

Re: What am i?

My anticipation was right. :D "where's the fourth bird?" :P I had to transfer the fourth chick to another pair because it wasn't fed in the right way and trampled down by the other three chicks. So it is lagging behind the other. Means no visible feathers until now. Hopefully next weekend i can pos...
by madas
Sat May 03, 2014 8:01 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

Re: What am i?

I already can anticipate your next question. :P But i already have 3 questions :D & probably not what you were thinking where's the fourth bird? to start with :P can we see it? what is that "normal" bird? trying to make sense of the 2nd pair. My anticipation was right. :D "where's the fourth bird?"...
by madas
Sat May 03, 2014 1:04 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

Re: What am i?

How on earth did you even guess opaline, at this early stage? ... lol Using all my 6 senses; few hundred calculations :D & because Madas posted the question :) an Opaline enthusiast. thx for your kind words. :D If i am not completely wrong there is only one mutation which is causing white downs in ...
by madas
Fri May 02, 2014 8:47 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

Re: What am i?

Until now only one is for sure opaline. Not the darker green on the right has grey downs (not opaline) and the one on the left has white. :)
The upper right can't carry two violet gens. Mother hasn't one. :D
Sure the upper left is only dark green???
by madas
Fri May 02, 2014 8:14 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2285

What am i?

Image

All birds at least have one dark factor. :D Taken with flash.

Edit: full res pic: http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/ ... kflp9t.jpg

madas
by madas
Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:38 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: urgent all australian breeders
Replies: 17
Views: 1770

Re: urgent all australian breeders

Mad Max wrote: Prices of birds have dropped by at least 25% and sales have dropped by even more .
Then send some dom. pieds and emeralds to Europe. :D

madas
by madas
Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:13 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: IRN Gen Calculator
Replies: 17
Views: 1648

Re: IRN Gen Calculator

Mad Max wrote:Thanks Madas

You are a star . I love it
I noticed you added D/Parblue crossover with a type 1 and a type 2 .
Can you please explain how they work as I havent got a clue

Regards
Robert
They don't work at the moment. Still in development.

madas
by madas
Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:03 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1556

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

And, to get a bit more on track again with the original picture, the bird partially visible at the far right (next to the turqblue) looks like this: http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/SA%20Deep%20or%20Violet/IMG_3236_zpsd4716c23.jpg Madas, there's your riddle. :D This is easy: SA 'd...
by madas
Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:58 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1556

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

No players except Ring0? What a pity. Sure but not always online. :) Some people have to work. :D Left to right: dark(sf) violet(sf) blue, dark(sf) SA 'deep'(sf) blue, dark(sf) violet(sf) green, dark(df) blue. To quote myself: dark(sf) violet(sf) blue, dark(sf) SA 'deep'(sf) blue, violet(sf) green,...
by madas
Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:56 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1556

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

And, to get a bit more on track again with the original picture, the bird partially visible at the far right (next to the turqblue) looks like this: http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/SA%20Deep%20or%20Violet/IMG_3236_zpsd4716c23.jpg Madas, there's your riddle. :D This is easy: SA 'd...
by madas
Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:49 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1556

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

Have another look at this one: http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/Violets/IMG_3303_zps9719b0f8.jpg So is it the same green series bird as in the other pic? if it isn't dark(sf) violet(sf) green then dark(sf) SA 'deep'(sf) green. Or is it another riddle? :?: For my eyes to dark or "o...
by madas
Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:08 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1556

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

Johan S wrote: No players except Ring0? What a pity.
Sure but not always online. :) Some people have to work. :D

Left to right:

dark(sf) violet(sf) blue, dark(sf) SA 'deep'(sf) blue, dark(sf) violet(sf) green, dark(df) blue.
by madas
Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:40 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2301

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Ring0Neck wrote: it had no violet in the tail
Image
Doesn't look violet now too. Looks more like normal EmeraldBlue or deep Emerald tail enhanced by the pied gen but not violet.

Image
by madas
Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:10 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 8405

Re: Deep green revisited.

http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s541/Trabots/Trabots%20new%20April%2014/5DeepBlues.jpg Ben has interchanged one of Willy pics. So here is the correct second one. Now the three males look nearly the same beside small deviations which should be caused by the blue base color. Furthermore the bird ...
by madas
Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:30 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2301

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

I was thinking Madas would pick that madas picked it but was unsure if the shiny yellow back is only caused by emerald and dom. pied or if another parblue is in play. That's why i asked if it is a dom. pied emeraldTurq. Wasn't aware of the fact that a emerald saddleback exist. :D So nice bird. Some...
by madas
Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:58 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2301

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Ring0Neck wrote:Spot on Johan :shock: all 4 do.

here's a better pic of the hidden one
Image

striking color on the tail
So the one in the background is a dom. pied emeraldTurq?
by madas
Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:34 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Greyish Brown CHCT
Replies: 5
Views: 505

Re: Greyish Brown CHCT

Yeah or you send an email with the pics to mada_s(at)ymail.com

:D
by madas
Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:11 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Greyish Brown CHCT
Replies: 5
Views: 505

Re: Greyish Brown CHCT

Could be SL cinnamon. Do you have some pics of the brownish offspring?
by madas
Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:46 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2301

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Kappa wrote: I would suggest trying to at the very least aim for df TurquioseEmerald ino.
Yeah but only possible if emerald isn't an allele of the blue locus. But for now it is. So only turqEmerald is possible. :D

madas
by madas
Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:37 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2301

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Johan S wrote:Add to that some contrast, and you get to something like an emerald grey harlequin, one of my favourite phenotypes. :mrgreen:
Now we are getting closer to one of my favorite emerald phenotypes. :D

Image
by madas
Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:12 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: dominant or recessive
Replies: 38
Views: 2052

Re: dominant or recessive

That means that my bird can't be a recessive pied if thats the case. One breeder called her a pied then a funny looking lacewing but she has a blue head. Still trying to send photos. Cheers. Hi, even bad marked ADM rec. pied are showing a yellow resp. white spot on the head. So no spot no ADM rec. ...
by madas
Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:11 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: dominant or recessive
Replies: 38
Views: 2052

Re: dominant or recessive

Ring0Neck wrote: Madas, I said available by which i mean for sale
Upsi. I thought you ment not exist. :)
Sorry then.

To clarify with rec. pied i don't mean ADM rec. pied from USA or SA. :)

madas
by madas
Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:19 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2301

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Emerald is best displayed when the melanin is removed (in my opinion), so I find it hard to believe that there isn't more emerald inos around. Ok well, not that hard. People will usually throw their two most expensive mutations together in the hope of breeding something even more valuable. But stil...
by madas
Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:03 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: dominant or recessive
Replies: 38
Views: 2052

Re: dominant or recessive

Ring0Neck wrote: In Aus. there's only Dom. Pieds available
This isn't correct at all. ;)
I know two kinds of rec. pieds in OZ. :D

madas
by madas
Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:32 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Saddleback ?
Replies: 186
Views: 25973

Re: Saddleback ?

Some pics again from Chris (comments will follow):

Image
Image
Image

madas
by madas
Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:04 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Saddleback ?
Replies: 186
Views: 25973

Re: Saddleback ?

Some more pics of Chris:

Image

Image

Image

madas
by madas
Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:04 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Saddleback ?
Replies: 186
Views: 25973

Re: Saddleback ?

here is the pic of Chris (comments will follow by him self):

Image

madas
by madas
Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:42 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Saddleback ?
Replies: 186
Views: 25973

Re: Saddleback ?

i have tryed loading photoes ,its just to hard ,sorry There are no red eyes in the saddleback line ,its just the way that photo turned out. Hi Chris, thx for your response. But if the three birds are siblings why is the bird on the left showing a completly other "eye" then the other two? Can you as...
by madas
Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:02 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Saddleback ?
Replies: 186
Views: 25973

Re: Saddleback ?

Ring0Neck wrote:

Tell Cooper that Bazinga is a Jellyfish, right here in OZ :lol:
Alright Kripke. ;)
by madas
Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:58 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: No Neckring when Mature
Replies: 20
Views: 2384

Re: No Neckring when Mature

Ring0Neck wrote:

Hi John,

Saddlebacks don't have colored tail at fledging from what i've seen. mine got it about 9months old
this bird below got his black tail at 3 y o

Image

And a visible grey neckring. ;) :P
Btw: nice birdy on the right.
by madas
Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:22 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Saddleback ?
Replies: 186
Views: 25973

Re: Saddleback ?

The red eye might be from the flash/angle of the eye & in fact there could be no red eye. we can see flash was used. still. But the heads all three birds are forming the same angle to the camera. So i don't think it is the "red-eye" effect. Point taken, the camera yes, but the bird's head on the le...
by madas
Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:23 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Saddleback ?
Replies: 186
Views: 25973

Re: Saddleback ?

Btw: the bird on the left isn't showing a visible iris as well. :)
by madas
Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:21 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Saddleback ?
Replies: 186
Views: 25973

Re: Saddleback ?

Ring0Neck wrote:The red eye might be from the flash/angle of the eye & in fact there could be no red eye. we can see flash was used. still.
But the heads all three birds are forming the same angle to the camera. So i don't think it is the "red-eye" effect.
by madas
Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Saddleback ?
Replies: 186
Views: 25973

Re: Saddleback ?

Ring0Neck wrote: Recent pic of my violet SB 2013 bred

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/DBvSB.jpg

Madas, do you think my SB has Emerald in it?
Hm. Don't think so. Can't see any Emerald indicator. :(
Have you checked the underwing section?
by madas
Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:05 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Saddleback ?
Replies: 186
Views: 25973

Re: Saddleback ?

Ring0Neck wrote:Maybe bred from saddleback but i see turquoise.
Whose birds are they? Parentage? etc the person who has these birds shold know why red eyes on that bird.
Then ask Philip Highland. ;)
by madas
Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:47 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Saddleback ?
Replies: 186
Views: 25973

Re: Saddleback ?

Why does the saddleback on the left is showing a red eye and the other two don't?

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thx.
by madas
Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:55 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: No Neckring when Mature
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Views: 2384

Re: No Neckring when Mature

You're right, I should have just added another pic not replace. My bad. Taken last month. green's neckring looks a bit faded but i see black. Green Pied is split opaline, if it counts for anything. http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/P2089719c.jpg Then one of us must go to the optician. :) The blue bir...
by madas
Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:42 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: No Neckring when Mature
Replies: 20
Views: 2384

Re: No Neckring when Mature

looks normal to me. http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/s/piedsz.jpg Why have you changed the pic to this blurry one. The pic posted before clearly showed grey neckrings. So please re-post the orginal one. A normal green IRN shows a black/pink neckring. A dom. pied green shows a grey/pink-orange. madas
by madas
Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:15 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: No Neckring when Mature
Replies: 20
Views: 2384

Re: No Neckring when Mature

heres the emerald harlequin cock Taliep spoke of. No neck ring visible. http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o698/Roodekrans/IMG-20140314-WA0014_zpsfe3872c0.jpeg Hm, i wouldn't say "no neckring". But not as good expressed as in a normal "IRN". I can see a bright grey neckring. A said in the post bef...