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by Ring0Neck
Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:18 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Heip with identifying Mutation
Replies: 5
Views: 1033

Re: Heip with identifying Mutation

He is a TurquoiseBlue Pallid (old name would be PastelBlue Lacewing)
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jun 21, 2015 6:14 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Biallelic expresion
Replies: 27
Views: 4383

Re: Biallelic expresion

Hi Paul. We don't have to be all at the same level of genetic knowledge (and we aren't) That's why we have Recioes, Johans and Madases around :) I see Madas and Johan as our referees :D The rest of us exploring, Recio leading ... holding the torch . I too think there's a lot more to explore and even...
by Ring0Neck
Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:59 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Biallelic expresion
Replies: 27
Views: 4383

Re: Biallelic expresion

Hi Paul, I do not remember seeing the FB post, so i did not see the error you are talking about about however here is a simple explanation of Hetero & Homo if it helps anyone. In respect to Parblues; Turquoise, Indigo, Emerald A Heterozygous Indigo can exist in 2 forms and look different: 1. Wildtyp...
by Ring0Neck
Sat May 09, 2015 10:38 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?
Replies: 27
Views: 3063

Re: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?

Kappa, Your plan of breeding is good. The Mauve hen make sure she does not carry Violet. I suggest we use the term Khaki for now to reference this mutation, there are a few things that does not fit Misty, Speaking to Martin, he states that 75% of the Deeps he breeds are of the expected phenotype and...
by Ring0Neck
Sat May 09, 2015 1:11 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?
Replies: 27
Views: 3063

Re: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?

Hi Kappa, That's some excelent ground work you guys did and I think you're on the right track. I know it is too late to make you change your mind but here is the reason why you should. Although your pairing is great i think pairing your Green "Khaki" X Mauve would be a better option here's why: Gre...
by Ring0Neck
Thu May 07, 2015 8:45 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?
Replies: 27
Views: 3063

Re: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?

Madas, Recio, Johan I bred this strange TurqBlue from my CHF pair that does not fit as a Dark or Turq.Blue. It is strikingly similar to Bob's (see comparisson pic below). I had a breeder visiting me a few months back and i showed him the bird in Q. and he asked: Where is the Turquoise? He asked beca...
by Ring0Neck
Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:22 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?
Replies: 27
Views: 3063

Re: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?

Thanks Recio, I am assuming SB parblue as Parblue2Blue2 or Parblue2Parblue2, but you are rigth: most of SB have been paired to Blue series birds and thus they are very probably also split to Blue1, but not Parblue2Blue1, since we are talking about different genes. Then we are assuming this formula?:...
by Ring0Neck
Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:47 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?
Replies: 27
Views: 3063

Re: How could a parblue behave as recessive to Blue?

Hi Recio, Interesting thoughts. I got stuck here though: " In this case the SB parblue (let's call it saddle parblue) could be a partial blue mutation of a different second Blue locus (Blue2), thus behaving as recessive respective to Blue1, but very probably acting as dominant on Blue 2." If recessi...
by Ring0Neck
Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:21 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep
Replies: 45
Views: 4210

Re: Deep

No Deep Blue is not the same as Cobalt
they do look very similar
by Ring0Neck
Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:14 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Lutino Cinnamon/blue
Replies: 10
Views: 2381

Re: Lutino Cinnamon/blue

shaun4rmsa The cinnamon chick you bred last year, do you have a photo of him? You could have edged or misty not cinnamon, easiest way is to look at the "cinnamon" chick you bred at his primary flight feathers, if faded color, washed out color it can be edged or misty. Mike, yes Creamino has clear fl...
by Ring0Neck
Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:56 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: saddleback emerald
Replies: 10
Views: 3067

Re: saddleback emerald

Chris, My last reply was a bit spiced up but only to match yours. I apologise for that it's not in my character, however if you felt the last question as being offensive but it was not. Why? Because there are 2 phenotypes to Emerald Cobalt Pieds, not just yours. I have a hen just like your cockbird ...
by Ring0Neck
Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:09 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: saddleback emerald
Replies: 10
Views: 3067

Re: saddleback emerald

Feeling better now Chris? I don't come on forums to argue or to disagree. I do want to learn more than most breeders out there. I don't mind being wrong once in a while, it's called learning Chris, staying on the safe side is not an option for me. IDing Genotypes from a photo is hard and being wrong...
by Ring0Neck
Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:44 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: saddleback emerald
Replies: 10
Views: 3067

Re: saddleback emerald

Cobalt Emerald Harlequin?
looks nothing like one.
by Ring0Neck
Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:41 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

Update: 3/3 eggs have hatched- all appear to have dark (normal) eyes. Now to wait and see how they feather- any non edged will be dna sexed- time couldn't go slower. update chicks are a couple of weeks and a few days old now- all have light nails- tipping all to be edged at this stage All chicks wi...
by Ring0Neck
Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:46 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: IRN breeding / mutation questions.
Replies: 9
Views: 3569

Re: IRN breeding / mutation questions.

Buks, That is extremely rare. Do you have an incubator? or Foster hens laying at the same time? I would take about 7 place in the incubator and most probably quiet a few will be infertile, after say 10 days you remove all infertile eggs and replace them with the incubated fertile ones. pretty sure h...
by Ring0Neck
Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:53 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4414

Re: What am i? (again)

Hi, and another mystery "Pallid" from a friend of mine out of indigo violet cobalt x indigo: http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img080619zxkv8ect.jpg http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/unbekanntjmhk3od8yn.jpg Until this season no pallids were breed from her parents and her grandparents. W...
by Ring0Neck
Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:50 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: what to put with a violet turquoise cobalt cock??
Replies: 1
Views: 956

Re: what to put with a violet turquoise cobalt cock??

A Violet green hen/Blue would work out good as you will get green series violets, turquoise violets & normal violets. If that is what you want to achieve go for it. ================================================= 1,0 Violet turquoiseBlue x 0,1 Violet green /blue ===================================...
by Ring0Neck
Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:46 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: new to this and worried
Replies: 2
Views: 478

Re: new to this and worried

Sounds like you have a communal aviary. Indian ringnecks are best housed in pairs for exactly this sort of reasons... rivalry. Indruders will kill other young, rival hens & cocks will fight even kill each other. Now that you know your problem find solutions to resolve it ASAP. If you never hand rear...
by Ring0Neck
Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:14 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

He posted on Willy's thread Yesterday & replied to your Questions as well.
by Ring0Neck
Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:51 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Hi Mike,

You can talk to Aaron directly he is on FB, he is a great guy to talk to.
by Ring0Neck
Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:52 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

ALL Blue series birds CARRY Emerald How many birds are we talking about, Ben? Granted, I think we are looking at an allele of the blue locus. Is that sufficient to classify it as a parblue? I think the answer is no. 6 birds so far inc. 2 of last year. pair might go down again this year. 3 Emeralds ...
by Ring0Neck
Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:46 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Here is another update from Aaron :

Second year breeding Violet green/Emerald/CT X Violet Blue Cleartail hen:
ALL Blue series birds CARRY Emerald
This confirms Emerald mutation a Recessive mutation to Wildtype (Green)
and this supports Emerald being a Parblue !!!

Thoughts?
by Ring0Neck
Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:05 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

update emeralds:
Image

Image
by Ring0Neck
Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:47 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4414

Re: What am i? (again)

Madas, Did you get any updates on the DNA results ? I still think Opaline is in play. We have seen Opaline to turn into white headed bird in Phil's "DF Pied Opaline" So here are the males: Misty SL Edged IndigoBlue Grey /Cinnamon /Lutino and the other is SL Edged turqBlue /Cinnamon /Lutino? Consider...
by Ring0Neck
Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:51 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Green?
Replies: 33
Views: 4522

Re: Violet(sf)Green, Dark(sf)Green or Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Gree

If i can read your pics correctly i'd say Violet(sf)Dark(sf)Green
give it a bit more time to be sure
by Ring0Neck
Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:50 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Emerald clutch starting to break a few pin-feathers.

2nd pic: grey & grey emerald by what we can see thus far

Image

At this stage we have 50% emeralds 2/4. One bird still to feather.
by Ring0Neck
Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:59 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet wing coloration?
Replies: 15
Views: 1497

Re: Violet wing coloration?

No problem. You're welcome.
as they say "Question everything"
by Ring0Neck
Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:49 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet wing coloration?
Replies: 15
Views: 1497

Re: Violet wing coloration?

If Male Yes
offspring will be 50/50 edged male and female as well as straight coloured male and female
by Ring0Neck
Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:29 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet wing coloration?
Replies: 15
Views: 1497

Re: Violet wing coloration?

Edged is a a Sex Linked Dominant mutation (Heterosomal Dominant)

a hen due to sex link will breed all males edged & they are visual because it is a dominant mutation
an edged male will do however breed 50% edged in femlaes and males.
by Ring0Neck
Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:53 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet wing coloration?
Replies: 15
Views: 1497

Re: Violet wing coloration?

Yes Bargain. Most breeders don't understand Edged and confuse it for Cinnamon most times they pair it to a real cinnamon and in OZ most of edged birds are now combined with cinnamon, for this reason leaving clean edged birds a rarity. (If your bird turns out a male it would not surprise me if it is ...
by Ring0Neck
Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:35 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet wing coloration?
Replies: 15
Views: 1497

Re: Violet wing coloration?

Breeder could erronously ID this bird as Cinnamon violet aka Lavender hence he is nest sexing the bird a hen.
Get the bird DNA sexed yep.

Nice bird BTW, congrats.
by Ring0Neck
Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:21 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet wing coloration?
Replies: 15
Views: 1497

Re: Violet wing coloration?

You need to make sure it is a hen, from the wing pic it looks dark for an edged hen. how old is the bird? You will get normal violets in hens, all males will carry the edged mutation If you are pairing this bird to a cobalt you'll get: ================================== 1,0 Cobalt x 0,1 Edged Violet...
by Ring0Neck
Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:05 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Violet wing coloration?
Replies: 15
Views: 1497

Re: Violet wing coloration?

Hi Sarah,

That bird is Edged Violet
A normal Violet has dark flight feathers.
by Ring0Neck
Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:04 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Johan,

Here's the pic you wanted. 11 days old & younger ; Emerald clutch.


Image
by Ring0Neck
Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:39 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Emerald clutch.
In an effort to save the 5th chick I have pulled the young & a friend is now HR the chicks.
IRNs have 1 rule: Survival of the fittest! but i don't have time to play games with nature ;)

Image
by Ring0Neck
Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:54 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 4118

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Thanks Recio for the pics.

I was expecting a much lighter phenotype, more like my pic below.
Interesting.
by Ring0Neck
Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:09 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 4118

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Recio, You can email them to me if easier. happy to upload them if a hassle for you. from this pairing results it seems that Violet and Clearhead Fallow could be linked. I found it to be the opposite in the last few years. Been trying to breed a Turq. Violet CHF for a few years, maybe this year....
by Ring0Neck
Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:27 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?
Replies: 33
Views: 4118

Re: Are Clearhead fallow and Violet linked?

Recio,

I didn't notice anything unusual, could be just luck.

Green Cinnamon Violet Clearhead Fallow female
any chance you can share a pic please?
by Ring0Neck
Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:24 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Why? I think the opaline does not have the right color palett/playground to do its magic, or it won't allow it. hopefully pieds+ parblues? could provide such environment for Opaline to do its magical play of colors. Hi Ben, yes, unfortunately IRN breeders are going to miss out on the real magic, wh...
by Ring0Neck
Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:45 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

I will also do an emerald clutch of 5 young, they are about 5-9 days younger than the ones above.

pic of the young from Grey Emerald X Deep Violet
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/DSC_1615.jpg

The more volunteers the better, if anyone else is willing to do it, it'd be great.
by Ring0Neck
Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:29 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

This is the Indigo nest i can keep updated pics on, my bro is handfeeding this lot. Parents of 3 chicks: DF Violet Green/Blue X (Poss Homozygous) Indigo Pallid hen Based on what's known of the parents i assume the blue series of the 3 young will be Violet IndigoBlues Fourth young is a split buttercu...
by Ring0Neck
Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:09 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations

Recio, Would this be the expected results for below pair if different allèles of the same mutation? ================================================= 1,0 cinnamon Edged x 0,1 cinnamon ================================================= 1,0 50% cinnamonEdged 1,0 50% cinnamon cinnamon -----------------...
by Ring0Neck
Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:52 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations

Cinnamon were different allèles of the same mutation. 1.0 SF SL-Edged x 0.1 Cinnamon would yield: Males: 25.0% 1.0 SL-EdgedCinnamon 25.0% 1.0 WildCinnamon (green split cinnamon) Females: 25.0% 0.1 green 25.0% 0.1 SL-Edged Recio, Would this be the expected results for below pair if different allèles ...
by Ring0Neck
Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:15 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

That's some excelent work Recio!
by Ring0Neck
Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:32 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

Hard to think at this hour :lol:
(had a long day)
by Ring0Neck
Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:16 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?
Replies: 50
Views: 5343

Re: SL Edged and Cinnamon: alleles or mutations?

Recio,

This is a tough nut to crack . My brain keeps resetting half way through :lol:


I like the challenge though & i'm sure others will have a real crack at it, i guess anyone attempting this better have some free time & a bit of Yoga might also help :D
by Ring0Neck
Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:22 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 4117

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

No Keyboard, please press CTRL ALT DEL to restart your PC :lol:
by Ring0Neck
Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:46 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Since Emerald is also expressed from fledging I was wandering if the down of young Emeralds could also be different than the down expressed by the classic parblues. I can have a look in a few days Recio, I have 5 young in the nest just hatched a couple of days ago. Congratulations. Do you own a par...
by Ring0Neck
Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:45 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald, einmal
Replies: 67
Views: 6894

Re: Emerald, einmal

Since Emerald is also expressed from fledging I was wandering if the down of young Emeralds could also be different than the down expressed by the classic parblues.
I can have a look in a few days Recio, I have 5 young in the nest just hatched a couple of days ago.
by Ring0Neck
Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:46 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 4117

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

... Means if a normal male is paired to a mutated female you will only get mutated males?... Above Question is confusing (probably a Typo) , the rest makes sense to me... I did want to say initially: "He is probably thinking of Edged" :D only Edged mutation is known to have that breeding result. As...
by Ring0Neck
Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:46 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 4117

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

... Means if a normal male is paired to a mutated female you will only get mutated males?... Above Question is confusing (probably a Typo) , the rest makes sense to me. Ok, Nigel tells me he has many pairs where both male & female are Cinnamon, these pairs could help confirm if both types are cinna...
by Ring0Neck
Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:30 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon turquoise violet
Replies: 38
Views: 4117

Re: Cinnamon turquoise violet

Nigel, You said they are paired up to breed this year. Tell us the pairings & when young feather up we could determine what parents are based on the young; if crossover, a combination of mutations or indeed 2 types, depending on the pairings you've done if you have paired one type X the other type w...
by Ring0Neck
Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:51 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Any ideas on what this is.
Replies: 20
Views: 2746

Re: Any ideas on what this is.

Hi BuksV

Welcome to the forum.
Nice collection of IRNs !

Let us know once you find out more from Johan's contact regarding these birds you have if they are Progressive Pieds etc.
I hope you paired them up to breed this season.

Ben
by Ring0Neck
Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:00 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

Johan,

I did show pics of her in a previous thread.
Old pics, i'll see if i can find more recent 1s.

Image

Image
by Ring0Neck
Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:34 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

This morning I had to fix the perch & reluctantly checked the nestbox of the blue/chf x young Edged EmeraldBlue while there only to find to my surprise 3 eggs in the nest :shock:
Didn't expected the hen to lay as she looked rather young and not ready i thought.
Hope they're fertile.
by Ring0Neck
Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:05 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Any ideas on what this is.
Replies: 20
Views: 2746

Re: Any ideas on what this is.

Hi BuksV, Your birds do not resemble any known mutation that i'm aware of. It could be that it is an acquired mutation however, more often than not it is related to nutrition, the the type of feed that you use, it could be a deficiency of some sort. Make sure you give them a complete feed inc. pelle...
by Ring0Neck
Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:53 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

One needs to understand that opaline does not make the wildtype head darker. The head colour stays pretty much the same, but the body colour, esp. just below the neck ring, is considerably diluted. Well said & I agree. I was caught up in justifying the head color difference but otherwise same looki...
by Ring0Neck
Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:59 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Back on the main subject, see pic below of Phil's Pied opaline which correlates to the last 2 birds in our topic pic (just add emerald) :) For the second from the right i agree. The head looks steps darker like for the birds in the pic on Chris website. madas Last bird from the left is a 7 month ol...
by Ring0Neck
Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:49 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Any ideas on what this is.
Replies: 20
Views: 2746

Re: Any ideas on what this is.

Hi Todd, Nice bird you got there. It is a shame that little work has been put into edged, misty or cinnamon in the last 10 years by breeders. My guess is probably a df edged cinnamon, most edged breeders paired edged x edged so a few DFs around the place. Misty could also be in the mix and lastly an...
by Ring0Neck
Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:41 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

The pic on Chris's website although it is a CT as well, still shows nicely the Opaline markers. Hope you breed your Mauve Opaline this season (i'm jelous) :D https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TBru0y5cRnU/UpsEXJj1SHI/AAAAAAAAAoE/gio6TVaQCXw/s512/10a%2520opalinecleartailmauve.jpg Back on the main sub...
by Ring0Neck
Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:35 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Any findings on the fact that grey combined with opaline produces the best opalines regarding the opaline markers??? Excellent question. I've been wondering about this too. Trying to produce a mauve opaline to compare with the grey opaline, but haven't had luck yet. Hoping this is my season. :D Loo...
by Ring0Neck
Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:19 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Hi Mike, Good points to consider. However, as you know since you have TurqEmerald CT, adding another Parblue to emerald is going to make the bird greener not yellower. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-smKQq8p-CXo/UpsFFOUVQqI/AAAAAAAAAtw/kpJ414-K3rc/s512/36%2520emeraldturquioseharlequin_nevilleconn...
by Ring0Neck
Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:27 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: understanding genetics - where do I start?
Replies: 3
Views: 569

Re: understanding genetics - where do I start?

SilverSage,

You can start with this website
http://psittacula-world.com/EN/Mutations/P-krameri.htm

Deon's book mentioned above can be purchased here (in Australia)
http://www.mcw-indianringnecks.com.au/book-shop
by Ring0Neck
Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:31 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Kappa wrote:That can only mean one thing. The first two must be of the saddleback line of pieds. :wink:
So, you're saying: They are 2 different types of pied genes, certainly morphotype perhaps even genotype (saddleback or not)
by Ring0Neck
Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:55 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

Re: 2B or not 2B ?

Hi Kappa,

Good question to break the ice.
answer is: no turquoise for either of the 4.
the 2nd bird in the pic is from Chris's website
https://picasaweb.google.com/MCWaviarie ... 2653772610
by Ring0Neck
Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:41 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: what makes albino
Replies: 5
Views: 562

Re: what makes albino

Lutino Is a Yellow colored bird
Albino is white = Lutino + Blue
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:11 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2B or not 2B ?
Replies: 29
Views: 3249

2B or not 2B ?

We have 4 birds in below pic.
All 4 carry Emerald & Dom. Pied mutations
Bird's sex: L 2 R: Male; male i think; Male; Hen

It is obvious the first 2 have a diff. phenotype compared to the last 2.

Why do you think that is?

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/4ep.jpg
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:26 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: what makes albino
Replies: 5
Views: 562

Re: what makes albino

Albino = Ino +Blue
a grey lutino will still look like an Albino since grey is masked by INO
by Ring0Neck
Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:08 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Green Split to Blue Question
Replies: 2
Views: 434

Re: Green Split to Blue Question

Hi,

It is very possible.
In fact in Australia 90+% of green ringnecks are split for Blue, it is rather rare to find a green not split to anything.
That includes grey greens as well.
by Ring0Neck
Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:53 pm
Forum: IRN Photo Forum
Topic: Is my new Ringneck male or female? (Pictures!!)
Replies: 2
Views: 1344

Re: Is my new Ringneck male or female? (Pictures!!)

Hi,

You have there a beautiful Grey Ringneck

Normally Ringneck's sex can not be determined till they are mature , males have a neckring females don't
You can also DNA Sex it to determine its sex.

One can only guess otherwise, guesses are give or take 20% accurate.
by Ring0Neck
Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:48 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

madas wrote:
Molossus2 wrote:not cinnamon
The bird in question? For sure he is a cinnamon. Feets, beak, quills are matching.

If Cinnamon then it also makes sense why the head is blueish due to lighter colored head of cinnamon.
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:21 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Pastel emerald violet pied
Replies: 11
Views: 1937

Re: Pastel emerald violet pied

Ok I got the pics Thanks. It could carry the Emerald gene, still, i would want to see good pics of the father and rest of the youngsters. but if i wanted to buy this bird i would not pay more than what a Turquoise Violet Pied is worth due to its size, it is on the small side possibly due to parents ...
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:33 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Pastel emerald violet pied
Replies: 11
Views: 1937

Re: Pastel emerald violet pied

ringneck
@techemail.com

here's a pic of the violet Turquoise Pied (first bird on the left)
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/IMG_7537.JPG
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:14 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Pastel emerald violet pied
Replies: 11
Views: 1937

Re: Pastel emerald violet pied

From what i have seen the best way i can describe an EmeraldTurquoise Violet Pied V Turquoise Violet Pied The EmeraldTurquoise Pied chest/rump is a lime green color whereas Turquoise Violet Pied has a dirtier lookin rump/chest We are dealing with pieds & it is much harder as they always change their...
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:56 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Pastel emerald violet pied
Replies: 11
Views: 1937

Re: Pastel emerald violet pied

Do you have/ seen many pics of just Turquoise Violet pieds?
I have a few, i can dig some pics for you if you want.
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:40 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Pastel emerald violet pied
Replies: 11
Views: 1937

Re: Pastel emerald violet pied

No, there's not many of them. see pic i added to my first post in case you missed it.
did you see the parent's pic? and happy that it is so?
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:31 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Pastel emerald violet pied
Replies: 11
Views: 1937

Re: Pastel emerald violet pied

Lyn, Regarding the debate, before such claim is made (who has & what it looks like etc) i suggest you guys start with pics of the parents The parents One parent must carry the Turquoise mutation & the other parent Emerald, the only way to breed a TurquoiseEmerald & work your way from there. anyone c...
by Ring0Neck
Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:59 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

I don't think i was rude ! not more so than your statement claiming you have an emerald bred from Indigo & turquoise.
by Ring0Neck
Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:01 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: male or a female???
Replies: 3
Views: 491

Re: male or a female???

It's a Hen

Although best practice is to DNA sex them or wait & once mature males will get a neckring except Albino and some other rare mutation combinations, white colored IRNs, Rec. pieds.
Normally one can not tell for sure ringneck's sex when young unless Surgical or DNA Sexing is done.
by Ring0Neck
Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:27 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

I have breed my first Emerald turquose female last year out of a Indigo and old terms Rainbow Unfortunately you can not breed emerald from above pair. It's like saying an English man married a French woman and they have 6 Chinese kids We as humans sometimes see what we want to see, not what is real...
by Ring0Neck
Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:58 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald x Normal green pairing
Replies: 1
Views: 389

Re: Emerald x Normal green pairing

Hi Glenn,

It has been done and it will be done again this year with DF Emerald which is a much more desirable option
with a normal EmeraldBlue X Green you get green possible split Emerald
by Ring0Neck
Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:25 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

Shey,

Here is one

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/IMG_7537.JPG

Lee, why not? having more colors in the nest to work with esp. if misty edged.
by Ring0Neck
Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:58 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

Shey

Any chance you can pair him to a violet hen?
by Ring0Neck
Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:50 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

Shey, It could be a df edged by looking at the latest pix I got a grey emerald that could be masking deep from 2013. I have a fertile egg from grey emerald x deep vio; this pair should lay another clutch in a week as i have had the eggs removed. I have a grey masking vio chf x deep blue working the ...
by Ring0Neck
Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:55 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: SL Edged
Replies: 275
Views: 29061

Re: SL Edged

...or it is an edged misty. :P I did not want to say it, i was waiting for Molossus to say it first :D I tend to agree since SF grey edged should not have the wings so diluted but rather have the baring visible head in the last pic also points to misty & increased grey body color in certain light/v...
by Ring0Neck
Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:47 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: adelaide breeding season
Replies: 1
Views: 311

Re: adelaide breeding season

August or late July is about right.
by Ring0Neck
Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:40 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: IRN
Replies: 2
Views: 409

Re: IRN

Do domestic Indian ringneck parrots have specific breeding season? Yes they do. In Europe it is in the spring approx Jan to April, depending where in EU . your season finished not long ago and it is unlikely hen will go down so late, it does happen but rarely and it is not natural for them to breed...
by Ring0Neck
Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:35 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere
Replies: 27
Views: 3461

Re: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere

My season has started with 1 pair on 4 eggs
couple more pairs i expect to follow within a week or 2 & full swing from there throughout Aug.
by Ring0Neck
Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:18 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Blue Male/ Dilute Violet Female?
Replies: 10
Views: 1000

Re: Blue Male/ Dilute Violet Female?

Whimsicalwings

Can you find out the parents of the violet dilute? and what else was in the nest, siblings of the violet dilute?

does it look close to these in pic below? or less violet color?
Image
by Ring0Neck
Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:05 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Finding out Zuuls Mutation once and for all
Replies: 10
Views: 873

Re: Finding out Zuuls Mutation once and for all

Your bird is a male; Grey Cleartail (outdated term for cleartail: white head white tail)
by Ring0Neck
Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:59 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is it?
Replies: 12
Views: 1131

Re: What is it?

...But maybe they are split for a rec. pied mutation or even cleartail is a pied mutation. :D Yep. thought about that for a while now. It is odd that my "white Pied CT" bred no pieds from 4 young, curious to see if i get any this season. the only young i kept from them now 10 months old http://para...
by Ring0Neck
Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:45 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is it?
Replies: 12
Views: 1131

Re: What is it?

It was the tail, the black stripe seen in pic 2 that made me do it. :P
my initial reaction : is this a Harlequin CT?
not my bird.

Here's another tail's tail


Image
by Ring0Neck
Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:37 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is it?
Replies: 12
Views: 1131

Re: What is it?

Turquoise grey cleartail hen it is.

An Indigo would not have as much psittacine/yellow esp. in head area of a young hen.
by Ring0Neck
Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:56 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is it?
Replies: 12
Views: 1131

What is it?

Image

Image

Image
by Ring0Neck
Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:58 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

... Tell me what you see, and I'll tell you what I see. http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/parBlues/IMG_0102_zps4ada8760.jpg Any chance it could be Homoz. Opaline Misty/Slaty or khaki? :?: Looks like a visual opaline but all markers reduced to only 30% or less visual manifestation
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:51 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Hi Todd WB , Long time...

I stand to be corrected but i've been told Martin did not pair Dark to Deep, therefore it should carry no Dark in its gen makeup.
by Ring0Neck
Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:21 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Shining Armour
Replies: 0
Views: 460

Shining Armour

At times i get this Deja Vu that a mutation like Edged or Misty through breeding selection (unintended) evolved its phenotype to blend in and become almost invisible and like a virus lives happily in our cages without being noticed 90% of the time. A Recessive mutation carrying a dominant (invisibl...
by Ring0Neck
Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:52 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4414

Re: What am i? (again)

Recio, True, if breeder is certain that none of the parents of the fathers carried opaline. Secondly, i have never seen an Ino-Opaline & my thought is that it could be an allelic interaction between the 2 just like pallidino. Possibly giving us InoOpaline= pallid lookalike? has anyone bred an ino op...
by Ring0Neck
Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:56 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4414

Re: What am i? (again)

creative thought 8)
Opaline to be part of the gen-makeup as well & we could possibly have here "the creation of Pallid" a triple x-over + allelicism in play
equals; birth of a mutation :?
by Ring0Neck
Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:20 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i? (again)
Replies: 26
Views: 4414

Re: What am i? (again)

Very interesting disc.
madas wrote: So here are the males: Misty SL Edged IndigoBlue Grey /Cinnamon /Lutino ...
was this male paired to a green series hen?
wondering if the opaline grey-green we see in below pic might be from the same parents?


Image
by Ring0Neck
Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:43 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Another Puzzle...What am I?
Replies: 28
Views: 2218

Re: Another Puzzle...What am I?

Sky,

A Violet EmeraldBlue young

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/PA255755.JPG

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/PA255747.JPG

Emeralds do not have patches like Turquoise
by Ring0Neck
Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:53 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

Dark Green Opaline? color seems more like a rusty green, wings have plenty "blue" more like a dark!?

here's an sf green violet opaline cockbird slightly older
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/PA255834.JPG
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/d/PA255837.JPG
by Ring0Neck
Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:23 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Another Puzzle...What am I?
Replies: 28
Views: 2218

Re: Another Puzzle...What am I?

Sky It's very purplish which would indicate the Cobalt-Violet combo however some breeders claim to have bred purple looking violets. The turquoise phenotype is rather interesting here, i think it is going to be a heavy turquoise, nice one. If there is another mutation in there, i'm thinking Slatey, ...
by Ring0Neck
Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:13 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Hi Ben, What I did find interesting was how much the turquoise df deep blue hen reminded me of your avatar hen, with the deep electric blue flights and tail. I know what you mean, she is s-thing special in my eyes and not yet certain of her full gen makeup esp from her mother's side (which i still ...
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:51 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: A blue puzzle
Replies: 40
Views: 3098

Re: A blue puzzle

Hi Skyes, How did you go this breeding season? Pic 1- both birds look the same. But they are different. The bird on the left is genetically a parblue. Parents are 1,0 Turquoise sf Violet X 0,1 TurquoiseBlue. See pic 2. Two things to consider here: 1. Indeed the left bird could be TurquoiseBlue, bein...
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:43 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Great work Kappa & Martin, Thanks for taking the time to take these comparisson pics.
Indeed the variance in Deep's color is clearly visible in above pics.

If you have more pics of the SF Deeps by all means upload them ;)
by Ring0Neck
Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:50 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Genetics for dummies?
Replies: 4
Views: 582

Re: Genetics for dummies?

You can start with this website where it shows most available mutations and their inheritance.

http://psittacula-world.com/EN/Mutations/P-krameri.htm
by Ring0Neck
Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:53 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

... that's why I suggested "keeping it in the family" :) How would you go about achieving this? & how long it'll that take someone to achieve this feat? Imagine trying to breed green split for emerald and turq. resp. & to keep it in the family & confirm the correct splits shortest way would be to h...
by Ring0Neck
Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:29 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Hi Ben, yes, that's what I was referring to. It would be very nice to see two green series brothers, one carrying blue or turq, the other carrying emerald, side by side. Johan, Yes, that would be nice! This green in above pic i believe is /turquoise first year breeding with him & i have another mat...
by Ring0Neck
Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:33 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere
Replies: 27
Views: 3461

Re: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere

Thanks Molossus, same to you & hope you breed what you are wishing for. I hope to breed this season new & exciting phenotypes , exploring further into the endless posibilities of combinations possible with amany mutations we have available to play with. Hope you do well with your Dhani, my optimisti...
by Ring0Neck
Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:11 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere
Replies: 27
Views: 3461

Re: 2014 breeding in the Southern Hemisphere

Molossus,

My IRNs are very much where yours are ATM.
i expect eggs early July & in full swing in August :P
by Ring0Neck
Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:57 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Johan,

Is this what you're looking for in that pic?

Image
by Ring0Neck
Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:47 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Hi Ben Until now I thought you and Willy saw Aaron's chick as 100% proof that emerald was a recessive par blue gene. As I remember it, that proof could only fail if emerald was a dominant gene that produced yellow colour some how. Are you now saying that you can detect emerald in the split parent? ...
by Ring0Neck
Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:47 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

... you had closely inspected the bird and reversed your view and managed to identify it as an Emerald Green. Mike, I didn't do any of the above unfortunately. My view is that it is Green/Emerald a Parblue mutation. If you read my post again i simply told what John said, Personally i was not able t...
by Ring0Neck
Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:31 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

My next question to all : Which irn mutation has a closer relationship with the Dominant Dhani? the parblue turquoise series ? or parblue Emerald? Ringo please may I include a little devil (with a huge spanner) :twisted: :lol: :D we need new/more emoticans :lol: relationship we won't be able to say...
by Ring0Neck
Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:12 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

... you can either believe that I am the luckiest person in the world to successfully pick out heterozygous green emeralds from three different flocks in a blind test, or you can start believing that emerald (at least in Alex) is not as recessive to green as one would read in books... I have had mo...
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:17 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

madas wrote:
Ring0Neck wrote: So the blue series did not have the triangle?
I didn't noticed one. :(

What color is the "violet" in your opinion? And please guess the sex of both birds. ;) I have an idea but DNA will prove or disprove.

madas

I'll go for Dark Violet Blue Opaline male
Dark Violet /Blue Opaline hen
:D
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:43 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

And to add the green series opaline showed a yellowish skin triangle in the neck. ... If that would be the case with all opalines would be a great marker especially in combos where opaline is hard to ID like edged opaline, H. pied opaline etc. So the blue series did not have the triangle? Yes, i no...
by Ring0Neck
Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:10 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

Nicely Done !

The green series bird has a whiter down.
Is this what you ment about Opaline in green series having a white down?
by Ring0Neck
Sat May 31, 2014 1:22 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: what is the difference?
Replies: 1
Views: 379

Re: what is the difference?

Hi Thomas,


Generally speaking it is 1 and the same bird. Most times people will not mention the Blue just simple write Turquoise Ino



Genetically speaking:
Turquoise Ino = Homozygous Turquoise Ino (both genes are Turquoise)
TurquoiseBlue Ino = Turquoise one gene Blue the other + Ino
by Ring0Neck
Fri May 30, 2014 10:30 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Hi Sherjil, My view is simply Emerald being a Parblue based on data thusfar. Not much point in debating this before a breeding season that should give us lots of data/info. In previous post i was mostly asking rather than telling, reaching unchartered gen. territory for me. A to your Q: If there is ...
by Ring0Neck
Wed May 28, 2014 10:56 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Opaline comparison
Replies: 10
Views: 2694

Re: Opaline comparison

Recio, I would still not use DF as that would confuse many, alhtough we know that you're refering to Homoz. Opaline (visual male) using DF would make believe all offspring is 100% opaline as it is true for a Dominant mutation only which Opaline is not. We should use DF only for Dominant mutations, n...
by Ring0Neck
Wed May 28, 2014 10:15 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

...I believe that an allele of blue can modify the nature of non-fluorescent psittacin to become what we see in emerald... Sounds good,Turquoise already does that in its own way, being an Allele of Blue, we do have to agree with Madas and stick to recessive inheritance being from same locus. Based ...
by Ring0Neck
Mon May 26, 2014 9:18 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3898

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

Tienie asked me to upload these pics from Chris to go with the above post not sure the order of the pics Blue DF Harlequin Saddleback http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/chris/1%20%285%29.jpg http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/chris/1-africa%20122.jpg http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/chris/2012%20282.jpg http://parakee...
by Ring0Neck
Mon May 26, 2014 9:25 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Ringo nice bird. its a turq emerald blue. Ringo a question for you... how is it possible for a parblue(emerald) that already evolved on its own allele to now show psittacins patches over and above its complete parblue composition. I refer to Willys(non turquoise) patched emeralds. To me this is not...
by Ring0Neck
Mon May 26, 2014 7:52 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutation?
Replies: 99
Views: 9584

Re: Can (turquoise/emerald) Parblue ever be a Dominant Mutat

Molossus, Emerald based on what has been bred thus far i say Recessive to Wildtype. As far as Emerald being Parblue data thus far tells us that it is so, at least the way it is being interpreted. Looking at Aaron's pic of the Green/Emerald there is no visual evidence of Emerald However, I would not ...
by Ring0Neck
Sat May 24, 2014 8:19 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 27
Views: 3953

Re: What is this dark Violet?

Madas, Parents of the bird? My initial thought was a grey green pied. I have a Violet Turquoise (Blue or Homoz) Pied hen, back she is mostly strong yellow on back/wings but i have to say it is yellower than a SB but it is not the same and nowhere near as nice. Front view in my case shows clearly the...
by Ring0Neck
Thu May 22, 2014 9:38 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3898

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

My TurquoiseBlues that have a saddle At fledging they had the normal green on the wings etc, as any turquoise does Correction: 6 months old, the saddle appeared and increased within the next couple of months 2 siblings below: http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/turqqsml.jpg http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/turqs...
by Ring0Neck
Sat May 17, 2014 8:48 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Who will step up and take a chance : is it Emerald?
Replies: 1
Views: 586

Re: Who will step up and take a chance : is it Emerald?

I'll go 1st

The pied: If emerald proves to be a dominant to green mutation & not a Parblue then it is possible.
I'm still on the belief that Emerald is Parblue though, (i hope i'm wrong ) it'd be much cooler if it was something else.
CT bird: as per email.
by Ring0Neck
Sat May 17, 2014 7:15 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What is this dark Violet?
Replies: 27
Views: 3953

Re: What is this dark Violet?

It may be a NT violet ("deep") combined with cobalt. I'll go with Johan on the young one (Madas i think said the same) It's missing the purplish tinge of US Violet EU Cobalt. and color seems "cloudy" unlike normal violet would. However if a Melanistic mutation exists (as suggested) in this bloodlin...
by Ring0Neck
Wed May 14, 2014 12:18 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Emerald Green Fluorescence
Replies: 95
Views: 8204

Re: Emerald Green Fluorescence

Regarding Emerald <=> Parblue

J F has paired this year a Green/Blue Cleartail X DF Emerald poss split CT hen
by Ring0Neck
Tue May 13, 2014 11:58 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3898

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

Thanks Madas & Bob for the info/pics. Recio, where are you? Looking at the 3 pieds non of them look the same, all 3 have different amount of yellow/green saddle, do you know the sexes of the offspring? could it be influenced by the structurals? LtoR Violet Parblue Pied, Cobalt Parblue Pied, ParBlue ...
by Ring0Neck
Tue May 13, 2014 7:25 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3898

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

Yesterday i got the info that the frist org. OZ violet saddleback has thrown two "saddletype turq" violet blues. Pic will be provided then i got the permission. So the statement that the saddlebacks don't breed normal (non-pied) turq birds isn't correct any more. madas Any Edged or Opaline offsprin...
by Ring0Neck
Tue May 13, 2014 5:32 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3898

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

Yesterday i got the info that the frist org. OZ violet saddleback has thrown two "saddletype turq" violet blues. Pic will be provided then i got the permission. So the statement that the saddlebacks don't breed normal (non-pied) turq birds isn't correct any more. madas Any Edged or Opaline offsprin...
by Ring0Neck
Tue May 13, 2014 2:01 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: colour names are confusing me !!!
Replies: 3
Views: 608

Re: colour names are confusing me !!!

Yes that's correct. If a Pallid is bred from them, he is split Pallid.
by Ring0Neck
Tue May 13, 2014 1:57 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?
Replies: 27
Views: 3898

Re: Has the saddleback code been cracked ?

Peter,

Do you have front view pics?

Thanks
by Ring0Neck
Mon May 12, 2014 9:32 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Opaline comparison
Replies: 10
Views: 2694

Re: Opaline comparison

Nicely done Madas!

Can you showcase the birds as well?
by Ring0Neck
Sat May 10, 2014 7:10 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: colour names are confusing me !!!
Replies: 3
Views: 608

Re: colour names are confusing me !!!

Hi, Lime is not a mutation & is probably referred to many light yellow-green, mint looking birds like cinnamon or & pallid etc. 1.0 grey(sf) blue cinnamon /pallid x 0.1 green /blue Males 12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) blue /cinnamon 12.5% 1.0 blue /cinnamon 12.5% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue cinnamon 12.5% 1.0 gree...
by Ring0Neck
Sat May 10, 2014 6:44 pm
Forum: Moustache Parakeet
Topic: Young moustache
Replies: 10
Views: 4673

Re: Young moustache

Sounds exciting, must give you a sense of relief and pleasure seeing the 2 rascals happy :D
post some pics
by Ring0Neck
Wed May 07, 2014 2:45 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Ups. Sorry. Already resolved. Haven't seen. An extract of the 2nd pic was posted by Willy some months (years???) ago labeled left deep right dark. So all you have to do for the first pic is compare the tail feathers (mostly color and length). :P madas I remember it. Even if it was labeled so, i hav...
by Ring0Neck
Wed May 07, 2014 2:24 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Kappa, Not sure, My guess is that it is a DF? Green Deep from Jack Smith, his aviaries had the chicken wire setup & he used flash on some other pics i seen from him. and on green birds flash/night time does seem to make them look "rustier" in color even for normal greens. Regarding Phenotype I think...
by Ring0Neck
Tue May 06, 2014 5:44 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

molossus wrote:Kappa all three are Deeps.
that would not be a fair contest if we had no Cobalts :?

did Snake get it right in his 1st post :?: :D
by Ring0Neck
Tue May 06, 2014 4:02 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Kappa
This should be the pic you're after.

Image
by Ring0Neck
Tue May 06, 2014 3:28 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited..

Kappa, It can happen for sure. an unsuspected blue misty paired to a deep blue would throw everyone off. Is it likely?? Firstly we need to pin down Blue Misty in Oz. I have acquired a "Violet Misty" cobaltish looking bird. I paired him to a Blue series hen if indeed is carrying Misty i should breed ...
by Ring0Neck
Tue May 06, 2014 2:51 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited..

( you're going to like this Ben) misty birds
:lol:
Love it
I will post something on this later

Re: Puzzle

2nd pic L2R

Orange peel on a hook :D Dark, Deep, Deep
Based on what?
The dark/black flights of Cobalt & Deep's dark green&blue
by Ring0Neck
Mon May 05, 2014 9:18 pm
Forum: IRN Lounge
Topic: What do you think male or female?
Replies: 3
Views: 931

Re: What do you think male or female?

It looks to be a hen

Also males get their neckring around 2-3 years of age, yours does not have 1.
by Ring0Neck
Mon May 05, 2014 4:12 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Hi Martin, Welcome to the forum & Thanks for taking the time to unvail the history behind the deeps. Much appreciated. It is always good to know how a new mutation came about and a good example how other mutations can appear and be lost just as quick if breeders do not observe and work with the new ...
by Ring0Neck
Sun May 04, 2014 1:53 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Willy Said : For what its worth, I checked my records and the lighter of the Deep Blue cocks in front in the 1st image was the only Deep I have sourced from Martin. Unfortunately I find myself with no Green series bird to pair it with so that will have to wait. I do have a Deep Blue hen bred from th...
by Ring0Neck
Sat May 03, 2014 9:01 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

But in saying that I believe Martin has produced the odd deep that is darker than a euro cobalt . So might be possible of 2 types of deeps .... Lol Correct me if I'm wrong Martin :-) If Martin bred a very dark Deep then it points back to 1 single Deep mutation with a large variation in phenotype be...
by Ring0Neck
Sat May 03, 2014 8:00 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Kappa, It's a taugh call, young v mature there's room for error. My deeps are the same bloodline as Martin's so i will need to get some of the darker ones. Ron & Willy has both types if indeed there's two. Perhaps Willy & Ron could look at the mature birds from J.S./Martin's V Qld line to pick if th...
by Ring0Neck
Sat May 03, 2014 7:57 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

My anticipation was right. :D "where's the fourth bird?" :P I had to transfer the fourth chick to another pair because it wasn't fed in the right way and trampled down by the other three chicks. So it is lagging behind the other. Means no visible feathers until now. Hopefully next weekend i can pos...
by Ring0Neck
Sat May 03, 2014 7:08 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

I already can anticipate your next question. :P

But i already have 3 questions :D & probably not what you were thinking


where's the fourth bird? to start with :P can we see it?
what is that "normal" bird? trying to make sense of the 2nd pair.
by Ring0Neck
Sat May 03, 2014 6:55 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Snake & Martin Thanks for the pics. It seems at this stage that we do have 2 types of Deeps as suspected. Could this Deep type be the same as the SA Deep ? I can see the same features in both birds, color seems different but that could be lighting/camera etc Tienie, your opinion is welcome also if y...
by Ring0Neck
Fri May 02, 2014 11:54 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

willowisp71 wrote: How on earth did you even guess opaline, at this early stage? ...
lol
Using all my 6 senses; few hundred calculations :D & because Madas posted the question :) an Opaline enthusiast.
by Ring0Neck
Fri May 02, 2014 7:19 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

I had my doubts about the chick on the right being opaline being so dark but i thought both parents could have been opaline.
2 on the left show enough dilution for opaline
the 3 chicks are not from the same parents?
by Ring0Neck
Fri May 02, 2014 8:39 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What am i?
Replies: 32
Views: 2457

Re: What am i?

Nice clutch :shock:

This is an easy one :D
SF Dark Green Opaline
SF Dark DF Violet Green Opaline
SF Dark DF Violet Blue Opaline <= should be a real beaut, can't wait to see them fully feathered :D
by Ring0Neck
Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:19 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Baby IRNs
Replies: 2
Views: 496

Re: Baby IRNs

First left is Green
second is Grey Green
by Ring0Neck
Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:56 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Basics of how to use the Genetic Calculator
Replies: 101
Views: 42507

Re: Basics of how to use the Genetic Calculator

Terje - DD signifies Double Dark, so a DD Blue = Mauve. Cobalt = Dark Blue, or D Blue. Trying to get my head around your DD violet Cobalt? Would love to see a pic :) Deb, You got pretty much everything spot on, you're getting pretty good at genetics. :) Trying to get my head around your DD violet C...
by Ring0Neck
Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:12 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: urgent all australian breeders
Replies: 17
Views: 1934

Re: urgent all australian breeders

:d
Kappa

True, no doubt once new laws are passed in a state the others will likely follow. i merely pointed out so forum members from O/S
can understand what Victoria is.

Of course we are all in !
by Ring0Neck
Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:15 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: urgent all australian breeders
Replies: 17
Views: 1934

Re: urgent all australian breeders

I had a quick glance through and unless i'm missing something there is no threat to bird keeping in any way. If i am missing something could someone point it out please. This is not Australia wide but limited to Victoria state. It says: 3. Non-indigenous bird species that are known to be in Victoria...
by Ring0Neck
Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:08 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: urgent all australian breeders
Replies: 17
Views: 1934

Re: urgent all australian breeders

http://www.depi.vic.gov.au/agriculture-and-food/pests-diseases-and-weeds/protecting-victoria-from-pest-animals-and-weeds/legislation-policy-and-permits/new-invasive-species-management-legislation/public-consultations-and-reviews/non-indigenous-birds-consultation The above is last year's "You are in...
by Ring0Neck
Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:13 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

And, to get a bit more on track again with the original picture, the bird partially visible at the far right (next to the turqblue) looks like this: http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/SA%20Deep%20or%20Violet/IMG_3236_zpsd4716c23.jpg Madas, there's your riddle. :D This is easy: SA 'd...
by Ring0Neck
Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:28 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: IRN Baby Pics, Normal greens or something different?
Replies: 4
Views: 560

Re: IRN Baby Pics, Normal greens or something different?

Olivey one is Grey Green
The second is Green
Very nice.

Ringnecks can go second clutch esp. if young are pulled for handraising and pair is mature.
They would call it "WTB" & go again
by Ring0Neck
Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:24 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

Oh, Ok, so the 2nd bird original pic is SF Dark SF NT Violet Blue , i still see that bird very dark to carry only 2 struct. mutations in SF, (using two screens). If that is the case how would that bird look adding df vio to it?! :shock: first bird on the left is light but probably not as light as yo...
by Ring0Neck
Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:32 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

And, to get a bit more on track again with the original picture, the bird partially visible at the far right (next to the turqblue) looks like this: http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y514/jschoeman/SA%20Deep%20or%20Violet/IMG_3236_zpsd4716c23.jpg Madas, there's your riddle. :D Nice bird indeed. A...
by Ring0Neck
Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:10 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What Mutation Please
Replies: 22
Views: 1799

Re: What Mutation Please

Mikesringnecks wrote:Excuse my ignorance but what does NT Violet stand for?
Kind regards
Mike

Mike
These birds are bred in South Africa & NT stands for Nico Theunissen violet
breeder's name that bred/imported? these birds
by Ring0Neck
Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:54 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Cinnamon or no?
Replies: 21
Views: 1201

Re: Cinnamon or no?

Your Question is: Is she Edged or Edged Cinnamon?

She is Edged alright, no cinnamon i thought a few months back, however seeing her a bit more mature in the pics could be cinn as well if there is brown in the flights as the pics show and the lower mandible fits cinnamon .
by Ring0Neck
Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:52 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

Very dark birds, a lot of greyish toned color
If the first one is vio cobalt well..
my vio cob looks like this:
http://parakeet.me/irn/f/cobVio.jpg
could be the lighting and type of camera used.
by Ring0Neck
Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:25 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

:lol: When i wrote Violet, i paused ... as i knew it's gonna come back to bite me :) but that's what i remember breeder sayin
by Ring0Neck
Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:06 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)
Replies: 27
Views: 1659

Re: Structural mutations (an SA perspective)

I'll go L to R (turq. perch) DF Vio SF Dark; DF Vio SF NT Vio; DF Vio Green
front perch DF Dark
by Ring0Neck
Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:40 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

madas picked it but was unsure if the shiny yellow back is only caused by emerald and dom. pied or if another parblue is in play. Oh Cool, so you were thinking ahead of the pack. :D how she looked a month ago http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/sbfeb.jpg it had no violet in the tail http://parakeet.me/irn/...
by Ring0Neck
Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:58 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

here is a good example of mutation progress (opaline in this case) in Turquoisine Parrots & selective breeding at work

http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/P4141256.JPG
by Ring0Neck
Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:55 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What Mutation Please
Replies: 22
Views: 1799

Re: What Mutation Please

yep, one can see everything on the website once a page is opened

still relevant to show a particular pic link so there's no confusion which bird is talked about.
by Ring0Neck
Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:40 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

I personally think we have 2 types but that's just me. Only recently, since the green deeps were bred and the 2 types were clearly visible Willy is working on this which is great as he has both types Another allele of the locus or by a completely different mutation (different locus) with a very simi...
by Ring0Neck
Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:36 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What Mutation Please
Replies: 22
Views: 1799

Re: What Mutation Please

yeah

you need to make 10 posts or so, you got 6 so far
by Ring0Neck
Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:22 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What Mutation Please
Replies: 22
Views: 1799

Re: What Mutation Please

Nigel,

you can copy/paste photo links from your website
just paste the link instead of asking Shey all the time to post 4 u

like this
http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/P4141180.JPG
by Ring0Neck
Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:03 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Still don't see it on that violet, though
you don't see it because it isn't there :D

Congratz on picking it up Johan.
I was thinking Madas would pick that by its head color being so close to the other turq-emerald
pics were not the best in a fuzzy lighting cond./ overcast
by Ring0Neck
Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:01 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

do you know whether all these birds were bred from a single source, or are they from more than one source? Willy has told us that he sourced his Deeps from 3 breeders if i remember correctly. Ron & Martin, & a QLD breeder; which is the type of deeps i believe are darker in green. since Martin has t...
by Ring0Neck
Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:50 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: What Mutation Please
Replies: 22
Views: 1799

Re: What Mutation Please

Johan,

i'd go with your first guess as the correct one.
deep dark should have almost black flights
these birds have strong darker blue in the flights.
by Ring0Neck
Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:15 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Buying/Identifying a Harlequin Pied Awareness
Replies: 5
Views: 764

Re: Buying/Identifying a Harlequin Pied Awareness

Shady you even got me pairing two males...I even pictured their offspring..
:lol: Mol

there's also violet & cinnamon in play just to make things more colorful ;)
by Ring0Neck
Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:50 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Buying/Identifying a Harlequin Pied Awareness
Replies: 5
Views: 764

Re: Buying/Identifying a Harlequin Pied Awareness

Ben, love the fact all your babies will be edge- no guessing as to what's what- I would imagine to be very hard otherwise. Yes makes things easier both are cockbirds :lol: this is the hen i plan to pair him with but she is rather young... still in 2 minds what to do. http://parakeet.me/irn/m/em/P41...
by Ring0Neck
Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:04 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Buying/Identifying a Harlequin Pied Awareness
Replies: 5
Views: 764

Buying/Identifying a Harlequin Pied Awareness

It is no wonder that so many breeders have sold/bought edged thinking they are pied. WHY? Wishful thinking, greed, lack of knowledge, not doing their homework. Buyers rely on breeders to have the birds IDed properly and it is imperative we do so. Pic below is an example of one pied & one edged+ Can ...
by Ring0Neck
Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:12 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Yes, Turquoise or to be on a safer side i should say Emerald+Parblue possible SB-Emerald although we don't know what that really means in genetical terms. Talking to the breeder i gathered that no turquoise was visible as the bird was feathering up only emerald and initially he thought her to be eme...
by Ring0Neck
Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:17 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Greyish Brown CHCT
Replies: 5
Views: 554

Re: Greyish Brown CHCT

Does it look like this?

Image
by Ring0Neck
Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:58 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: Deep green revisited.
Replies: 135
Views: 10167

Re: Deep green revisited.

Back on the Deep color variation, Willy has taken pics of 5 SF Deep Blues to portait the variance already exists. Age abviously play a role in their final phenotype. Willy said: The 5 Deep Blues show the range of variance in my SF Deep Blues. The cocks generally appear slightly greyer on the back wh...
by Ring0Neck
Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:00 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Spot on Johan :shock: all 4 do.

here's a better pic of the hidden one
Image

striking color on the tail
by Ring0Neck
Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:15 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: dominant or recessive
Replies: 38
Views: 2246

Re: dominant or recessive

So You can just call your bird what every you thank. :shock: Then how do you know what your buying. No. Let's call them "street names" or "name describing visual appearance" or "to shorten a genetical rumble" or simply nicknames. A nickname is used in non genetical terms to describe a mutation or a...
by Ring0Neck
Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:02 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Let's see if we get more responses, meanwhile a pic of the homozygous emerald hen

Image
by Ring0Neck
Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:45 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

couple more pix

Image

Image



Quiz: How many of these birds carry the emerald gene?
Image

Image
by Ring0Neck
Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:43 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Pic of emerald edged (overcast/raining not the best pic) i'll have more pics taken next week

Image
by Ring0Neck
Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:05 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: dominant or recessive
Replies: 38
Views: 2246

Re: dominant or recessive

Ben, that is a very good question. However, those that have been playing with misty combinations report that misty is visible even in albino birds as a soft fawn type overlay over the bird... I agree, i think it can be seen in INO birds, hence my "yellow" hen i suspect misty is paired to a lutino f...
by Ring0Neck
Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:29 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: dominant or recessive
Replies: 38
Views: 2246

Re: dominant or recessive

Turquoise (Pastel) is needed if the offspring is mostly white/yellow it will add a nice color throughout the bird.
by Ring0Neck
Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:15 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: dominant or recessive
Replies: 38
Views: 2246

Re: dominant or recessive

:D

there are a few breeders doing just that this breeding season, myself included.
we are not sure how that combination would look like.
the offspring could well be white birds (or yellow in green) esp. the hens.
by Ring0Neck
Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:05 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: EmeraldBlue Ino
Replies: 32
Views: 2486

Re: EmeraldBlue Ino

Kappa wrote:Hi Madas,
You're right. :D Sometimes the imagination can work faster than the brain :lol:
:lol:

been guilty of that at times too :lol:
by Ring0Neck
Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:55 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: dominant or recessive
Replies: 38
Views: 2246

Re: dominant or recessive

Shoshan what can be sure is that your mature pair is Blue SL Dominant Edged & Blue Pallid (Lacewing) hen young is Blue SL Dom. Edged being a hen it is much lighter than the father. other possible mutations can be misty & cinnamon hard to say from the pics but if the young hen is also cinnamon then t...
by Ring0Neck
Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:16 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself!
Topic: Wobbly heads on females
Replies: 2
Views: 252

Re: Wobbly heads on females

Hi Tricia, I have seen it at other breeders but it has never happened to my birds, so i have little advice i can offer other than what i have found on the net. https://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120724185033AASesWU Make sure the birds do not have mites as they would locate around the ...
by Ring0Neck
Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:54 am
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: dominant or recessive
Replies: 38
Views: 2246

Re: dominant or recessive

... I tend to think the Blue (Father) is in fact an Edged /Cinnamon and perhaps Misty from the hen??? hen possibly being a blue pallid misty???? I have not seen the father's pics as yet just guessing based on above pics. ... Picture of the father from shoshan clearly a Blue edged & possibly MISTY :...
by Ring0Neck
Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:59 pm
Forum: Mutations/Genetics
Topic: dominant or recessive
Replies: 38
Views: 2246

Re: dominant or recessive

Ben you think misty for everything :lol: Hen looks like a normal Pallid to me. ... Sure i do I bet that i can show you or most other OZ breeders a blue misty as a normal blue & no one will ever pick it as misty. So, how do you expect to see misty in a pallid? what difference do you think a misty pa...