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Chriskoi

when both birds were placed together they were thought to be on and the same mutation and this can be easily understood as both share some features that would cause this mistake. So this bird is sharing the same features as a dom. pied??? http://pixuria.com/imgs/ffa1ce037ac0a347c367-frist_opaline.j...

Chriskoi

My friend has quiet a few opaline cleartails both cocks and hens in a variety of colours from cinnamon opaline cleartail to cobalt opaline cleartail he is a specialised breeder that has asked to keep his identity secret So let me guess: it is Chris Smith. :D Most of his opaline cleartails came from...

Chriskoi

mcw-indianringnecks wrote: Breeding violet to cobalt causes problems

What problems do you mean? Breeding violet to dark is a necessary step to go on for a violet(df)dark or violet dark(df).

Chris

Chriskoi

mcw-indianringnecks wrote: it could only SF

So she is carrying turq.

Chriskoi

If it was the case she should not be classed as turquoise :?: But if she is double factor turq then where could be some yellow on the main flight and tail feathers. See Willys pic of his homozyguos turq bird. http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s541/Trabots/Trabots%20IRNs/turquoise11.jpg Chris

Chriskoi

The DF Emerold is now getting a neckring at 3yrs old So Recio your theory of emerald being a structual mutation is swiming away. :( Have you ever ask Chris Whipps regarding the age of the DF emerald? If not how can you base your theory of DF emeralds males don't get a neckring on cock of unknown ag...

Chriskoi

Chris, maybe have another look? For my money, three opalines and one "normal" cock. :wink: If you zoom in then the second bird from the right could be opaline too. :) So Deon is/was a very, very lucky man. :D But the first offspring identification (bird in the nest) of Deon was two opalin...

Chriskoi

Hi Deon, Nice birds. I guess the offspring in the pic are all females, and the brother is not there. I also guess that you have posted it waiting for coments without inducing any idea with your thoughts ... so here I go: Opaline is known to increase the expression of psittacins, so if there were in...

Chriskoi

Father a TurqBlue Opaline on the left, the mother Emerald Blue or Emerald on the far right 2013-11-09 18.33.14-1.jpg Nice clutch Deon. Well done. :D And please try to breed again with this pair in next season. ;) @Recio: So how to explain this offspring with your emerald dominant theory??? No green...

Chriskoi

but not because turquoise was present in the bird's phenotype . We know that Turquoise is not masked by either Emerald (we all have seen patched Emerald Turquoise phenotypes) or Cleartail (as showed by Madas' pics), thus this female producing Turquoise chicks owns the Turquoise gene but it is not e...

Chriskoi

EMEROLD= LINE BREED INDIGO TO ELEMINATE PATCHINESS . ??? This statement is just so WRONG in so many ways. BTW: I don't think a breeder who is saying words like this "After buying the world famous Clearwing Cleartail from my mate Gary I bought DF Violets and Mauve (DF Cobalt) to bred to the Cle...

Chriskoi

EMEROLD= LINE BREED INDIGO TO ELEMINATE PATCHINESS . ??? This statement is just so WRONG in so many ways. First: I read it as a question and not as a statement. So i think he ask it to start a discussion with a new point of view. Second: It is a fact that an Indigo has a aqua (emerald) like body co...

Chriskoi

I must ask are those birds pure Alex's I've got to have some. Not my bird but to my knowledge they are pure Alexadrines (wild taken). The hetereozyguos ones is the pair all spangle Alexadrine were come from. Perhaps Lee can tell us some more infos regarding these bird because he has much more exper...

Chriskoi

Hi, in alexandrines we have the spangle mutation too. hetereozyguos: http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/25301027864947squ9r6vgix.jpg homozyguos: http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/56181927865366uk1y9g58zf.jpg note the slight green on the head same as in the df dom. pied IRN. greetings.

Chriskoi

Well done my friends, well done.

@Willy: I fully agree with you. Thx for your great input here and at the yahoo group. Keep enjoying your great hobby.

greetings.

Chriskoi

Chriskoi

A bucket of 4 chicks showing all possible EmeraldBlue outcomes from an EmeraldBlue x Deep Violet Blue. cw, Deep EmeraldBlue, Deep Violet EmeraldBlue, Violet EmeraldBlue, EmeraldBlue http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s541/Trabots/Trabots%20IRNs/cwDeepDeepVioletVioletEmeraldBlues.jpg Deep EmeraldBl...

Chriskoi

This is the first clutch breed by GW from the Netherlands out of dom. pied green /opaline x turq cobalt violet: http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/offspringnethe7ysukmnlae.jpg http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/offspringnethediay0g8nl4.jpg Left opaline green and right some kind of "do...

Chriskoi

So what else but a new par blue could be responsable for there richness of colour and yellow projessive colouring. I suppose its ok for people around the world to sell turquoise harlequins as saddlebacks ,, well why not just sell them as turquoise harlequins. Hi, i don't want to start the same figh...

Chriskoi

mcw-indianringnecks wrote:saddleback is simply the wrong name for these birds

thx for your detailed answer.

Same bird in both pics but photographed under different angel and different UV light.

: saddleback muck

Cheers.

Chriskoi

When you look at most pictures you will see most have no saddle,except people using there name to describe Turquoise Harlequins P,S. I dont beleive there is Turquoise in Saddlebacks ,it doesnt act the same as my birds . Sorry but when i look at this pic of your so called "saddleback" offs...

Chriskoi

I think These pics could help with your discussion:

dilute turq:

opaline turq:

Chriskoi

Some violets of Belgium:

pretty sure a Violet(df) Dark blue:

in foreground a Violet(df) blue and a Violet blue both with turq:

greetings.

Chriskoi

Hi,

here is a picture of a pallidino blue (found on http://www.halsbandparkiet.nl, picture is taken by ben schepers):

Chriskoi

When you say a green violet and a turqouise do you mean a pastel or turqouise blue?. If a parent was a pastel blue then thiungs chance alot in colour results. They are Turquoise(sf) Blue Hen Turquoise(sf) Blue Cock Turquoise(sf) Blue Violet(sf) Hen Turquoise(sf) Blue Violet(sf) Cock Blue Hen Blue C...

Chriskoi

Yeah. It looks like a turquoise cobalt or turquoise violet cock. This is one of my turquoise cobalt cocks: http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9274/halsis007.jpg btw.: the turquoise can vary from 20% (blue bird with some green feathers) to 80%. (nearly green bird with some blue feather). But all turq...

Chriskoi

Hi Jay,

i have wrote a pm to you some time ago about the same topic.
Do you have some more info or pictures of the slaty muation?

Thx.

Chriskoi

From this pair you will get only blue and grey birds. 25% Grey (DF) 50% Grey 25% Blue the df ones shoul look the same like the normal grey ones. So if you think you have a violett chick then one parent must be a grey violett bird (but i dont think you have such a bird). So please post a picture of t...

Chriskoi

Fah wrote:You cant have a blue bird that carries the grey gene without showing it however.

You can. An Albino GreyGreen.

Yes. I know it is not really a blue bird. But he carries also the blue gen.

Chriskoi

ANy news about the picture?
thx.

Chriskoi

this would be great. many thx.

Chriskoi

i would be nice if some one can post such a picture.

Thx in advance

Chriskoi

Try this site: http://www.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=0PsitIR btw.: The cock of pair two can't be split in violett blue. the violett factor is incomplete dominant. He can only be split in blue. But he is a turqoise grey one and in this case he is blue too. because a visual grey bird is a combina...

Chriskoi

Grey male x Lutino hen males 50.0% grey(sf) green /ino 50.0% green /ino females 50.0% grey(sf) green 50.0% green the correct answer is: males 50.0% grey(sf) green /ino / blau 50.0% green /ino / blau females 50.0% grey(sf) green / blau 50.0% green / blau because a visual grey is a blue bird combined...

Chriskoi

Ring0Neck wrote:On the Gen calculator, what do i put in for silver IRN?

also dark factor, D Blue - is that a double factor blue = cobalt?

D Blue is Cobalt, right. But it isn't a double factor blue.
Cobalt is a combiantion of the blue gen and the dark gen.
Double factor dark is called mauve.

Chriskoi

So here are some pictures of violet cobalt and cleartail violet cobalt bird: cleartail: http://vogelzucht-teuber.de/DSCN0029.jpg cleartail and normal: http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8817/bleichschwanzviolettkobbd1.jpg normal violett cobalt and violett blue: http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/467...

Chriskoi

The Blue Cock must be split in lutino or pied to get such offspring.

1,0 Blue / Ino (lutino) x 0,1 Ino (Lutino)

50.0% 1.0 green /blue ino
50.0% 1.0 ino /blue
50.0% 0.1 ino /blue
50.0% 0.1 green /blue

Chriskoi

Hi i think the offspring must be this: cocks: grey(df) green /blue cinnamon grey(sf) green /blue cinnamon green /blue cinnamon grey(df) green /blue pallid-cinnamon grey(sf) green /blue pallid-cinnamon green /blue pallid-cinnamon grey(df) green /blue grey(sf) green /blue green /blue grey(df) green /b...

Chriskoi

I have written a genetic calc too (unfortunally not a multi language version, so it is in german). You can download it at: http://rapidshare.com/files/99995638/GenCalculator.zip.html Preview: http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7359/calc1wx4.gif Not all mutations are included, but the most common one...

Chriskoi

Jay wrote:
Nice IRN Photoshop mutation

It is not a photoshop mutation. These are real birds. For more pictures see here:

http://www.azvogelzucht.de/board/showtopic.php3?threadid=60202

Chriskoi

pinkdevil wrote:I wonder if there will ever be a black IRN?

Not a real black one, but with a black head (from an austrian bird keeper):

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4811/dscn5557vc4.jpg

Chriskoi

Yes Cleartail is WHWT. T1 and T2 are the two typs of darkgrenn / blue birds. the children of a green x mauve are all type 2 (bl+_D+/bl_D) and the children of olifgreen(DF darkgreen) x blue are all type 1 (bl+_D/bl_D+) But all children of both couples are darkgreen/blue. The basis for these two typs ...

Chriskoi

Not excatly these birds. I have a couple of 1,0 turquoise cobalt / cleartail x 0,1 violet / cleartail. It isn't my dream couple. But the couple mentioned above is much more expensive.

So i bought these birds.

Chriskoi

So try this one:

1,0 cleartail turquoise cobalt x 0,1 violet / cleartail

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