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- Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:10 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Deep
- Replies: 45
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- Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:31 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Deep
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- Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:20 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Deep
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- Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:55 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Deep
- Replies: 45
- Views: 115317
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- Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:12 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Deep
- Replies: 45
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- Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:09 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Deep
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- Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:16 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Biallelic expresion
- Replies: 27
- Views: 32021
Re: Biallelic expresion
Thank you Ben And Recio It seems I am guilty of a technical error my understanding was literal and not genetic based.As I am on a genetics forum I admit to being out of order. My interest is a hobby where I breed birds I have no desire to delve into science therefore please acept my appology I can a...
- Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:24 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Biallelic expresion
- Replies: 27
- Views: 32021
Re: Biallelic expresion
Recio thankyou for your kind comment on FB remember the detailed report I pm'd you a couple of weeks ago which you thanked me for. Though you were disappointed it was on a private format limiting you from public comment I took in your advice and decided to publish a shortened version on the public f...
- Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:22 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Biallelic expresion
- Replies: 27
- Views: 32021
Re: Biallelic expresion
Recio thankyou for explaination @Paul: the green or aqua colour depends on the amount of psittacin produced (higher for green and lower for aqua) but it is always the same psittacin. this may explain the results I got when introducing Indigo into CHCT the pairs were hetro Indigo split CHCT to Visual...
- Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:48 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Biallelic expresion
- Replies: 27
- Views: 32021
Re: Biallelic expresion
white ring in IndigoBlue and pink-red ring in homozygous Indigo) which can be achieved through different alleles. Is breeding to Blue or to Wild type able to decrease or increase recpectivelly the final amount of psittacins through the generations? I do not know but I guess the answer is NO, becaus...
- Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:31 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: mutation indigo
- Replies: 8
- Views: 6910
Re: mutation indigo
BuksV the psittacine is the green overlay on the birds wings this can range in colour from wild type green through to aqua (blue/green) also Indigo do not have any colour in the neck ring it is black and white.
- Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:07 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: mutation indigo
- Replies: 8
- Views: 6910
Re: mutation indigo
Indigo is as explained by Smick though there are a couple of extra points Indigo should never show any psittacine on the body on the chest or anywhere down to the vent though they often show it in the socks above the legs.Indigo's will also differ from Turq when crossed to Ino,pallid,cinnamon,chct,c...
- Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:24 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Dark and Blue linkage rate in IRN
- Replies: 3
- Views: 4553
Re: Dark and Blue linkage rate in IRN
Hi Recio as you are one that thinks outside of the box I thought I might propose a challenge that only a crank such as myself would suggest and pre warn of hysteria that my statement will cause. I am of the opinion that the punnet box theory of Mendel is flawed and should not be used as it is out da...
- Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:43 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: different mutation terminology & how to achieve purple?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 25568
Re: different mutation terminology & how to achieve purple?
All this debate on theorys on how to achieve a rich violet or violet cobalt combination with the desired morph that isn't leaning towards grey or mud is invigorating .How ever one ommission from this debate is the morph MaDas has posted recently from Europe that was being called Royal blue ,I find t...
- Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:49 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Underwing patch
- Replies: 34
- Views: 34278
Re: Underwing patch
Lee 's question somes up the situation in a nut shell. What does happen when more is known about the morph / mutation in question???
- Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:09 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Underwing patch
- Replies: 34
- Views: 34278
Re: Underwing patch
Hi Chris I suggest you read my post again as I never adddressed or made any comment concerning you. My grievence with this topic is to do with all the proper gander spitefull fighting to do with this topic is all being carried out by breeders (you included) that not only haven't had the mutation lon...
- Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:54 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Underwing patch
- Replies: 34
- Views: 34278
Re: Underwing patch
Sorry I got the proposed name wrong it is ADP (Advanced Dom Pied) The last post on the Asiatic site has a photo of a typical J Smith green pied that R Atwel is claiming to be a SB this bird (photo'd) shows all the characteristics of a Spangle. Lee remenber our last encounter on this subject.Recio pl...
- Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:59 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Underwing patch
- Replies: 34
- Views: 34278
Re: Underwing patch
I note there hasn't been much response to this thread and it may be due to the same/similar topic being discussed on FB concurrent. The topic on FB is on South African Asiatic site where interestingly it is being claimed that the SB Dom Pied is abundant both here in Aus and overseas though most fanc...
- Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:32 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Indigoemerald or just Indigo
- Replies: 4
- Views: 3212
Re: Indigoemerald or just Indigo
Your first photo shows Emerald marker underwing the other photo shows two young turquoise that are yet to have their full turquoise expression visualised my guess would be you have three turquoise youngsters with some Emerald visible you won't produce Emerald or Indigo from this pair.
- Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:20 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: saddleback emerald
- Replies: 9
- Views: 14192
Re: saddleback emerald
Saddle Back ??? looks like one of the late JS green dom pieds from 10 years ago as for the others it's just more of the same non descript combo's of Dom Pieds that are flooding the aviaries of Australian fanciers it's a shame really.
- Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:41 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: How to identify homozygous Indigo Chicks ?
- Replies: 28
- Views: 15429
Re: How to identify homozygous Indigo Chicks ?
Recio good morning Cinnamon look with grey under tone is a reference to phenotype only as these birds are not sex linked and are appearing in increasing numbers from parents of normal phenotypes and come in hens and cocks alike by the way one of these cocks was produced from a heterozygous mating. B...
- Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:33 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: How to identify homozygous Indigo Chicks ?
- Replies: 28
- Views: 15429
Re: How to identify homozygous Indigo Chicks ?
Hi, Maybe we should speak about "positif parblues" (homozygous birds greener than heterozygous birds) and "negatif parblues" (homozygous birds bluer than heterozygous birds). The other specific features noted by Indian Ringneck Vic add consistency to this idea of a different spe...
- Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:48 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: How to identify homozygous Indigo Chicks ?
- Replies: 28
- Views: 15429
Re: How to identify homozygous Indigo Chicks ?
Hi Sherjil and Recio I have never crossed Emerald into this family however I used to discuss both these mutations with the late Jack Smith whom agreed they were different to the par-blue family and were to patchy to belong to the Emerald family this was 4-5 years back and in those days this family s...
- Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:11 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: How to identify homozygous Indigo Chicks ?
- Replies: 28
- Views: 15429
Re: How to identify homozygous Indigo Chicks ?
Sherjill my experience with these birds is the psittacine is an indicator of family group the birds belonging to the par blue group have a psittacine colour to normal or wild green these birds do have a faint pink in the neckring and I believe will increase both these when DF. The other family is st...
- Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:03 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: How to identify homozygous Indigo Chicks ?
- Replies: 28
- Views: 15429
Re: How to identify homozygous Indigo Chicks ?
Sherjil I've been breeding Indigos for some time now and have DF several pairs and I'm now discovering that there are are different forms of this mutation and with different genotype the amount of psittacine has little to do with the quality or as an indicator of Hetro or Homo indicator.
- Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:37 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: understanding genetics - where do I start?
- Replies: 3
- Views: 2119
Re: understanding genetics - where do I start?
SilverSage the reference book you require is Ringneck Colour Genetics (2012) by Deon Smith contact GM SMITH RCG <gms71@live.co.za Deon is in South Africa though supplies his book to a world wide hobby it's informative and up to date written by a IRN hobbiest with an academic background.
- Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:50 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: SL Edged
- Replies: 273
- Views: 3903221
Re: SL Edged
Hi Recio I don't understand German however I've been reading diagrams for most of my life and what I think they are illustrating is the eumalanin in the Misty appeares smugged (blurred) giving it a more noticable appearance than the wild type depicted.Perhaps this is what gives Misty it's grey washe...
- Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:23 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: What is it?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 4962
Re: What is it?
Lee the bird is a hen
- Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:42 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Picture of cobalts & Violets
- Replies: 6
- Views: 3049
Re: Picture of cobalts & Violets
Traceyweller nice collection of birds as I'm sure your aware it can be difficult picking these morphs in natural day light let alone from photo's the thing that interests me you appear to have a good cross section representative of the Violet and Cobalt phenotypes available which puts you in a good ...
- Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:26 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: What is it?
- Replies: 12
- Views: 4962
Re: What is it?
This bird was purchased as a one year old CHCT that moulted in it's pied markings on it's second year moult which it held stable until it's third moult where at that point reverted back to CHCT and it still is today this bird is a member of a family that forms the base of all the CHCT in my collecti...
- Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:22 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Deep green revisited.
- Replies: 135
- Views: 73062
Re: Deep green revisited.
Melissa here is my American Violet hen now rising 8 years old this hen produces good quality Violet blues when paired to Violet blue cocks , Blue cocks, she has also been mated to a Indigo Cobalt cock (dark) where 3 Indigo violets and 1 Indigo Cobalt were produced , she has also been mated to to Sf ...
- Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:10 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Deep green revisited.
- Replies: 135
- Views: 73062
Re: Deep green revisited.
Kappa I think your drawing closer to the answer of this recently proclaimed Deep than what you probably realise I own a light Violet hen similar to the cock in the photo you posted and have been breeding from it over the last 6 or 7 seasons and I have recently had contact with a Qld breeder whom has...
- Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:47 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Deep green revisited.
- Replies: 135
- Views: 73062
Re: Deep green revisited.
Coastal I don't have any Aussie Cobalts I do however have a family of European Cobalts from Bob Willis which I have been line breeding with Indigo for 8 years and have found these birds to produce the unexpected last year in a clutch of 3 there were 2 grey mauves and one very dark grey mauve that th...
- Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:10 am
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Deep green revisited.
- Replies: 135
- Views: 73062
Re: Deep green revisited.
Mike what are you saying? is this a normal green or not if it is not what are you saying it is?
- Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:39 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Another Puzzle...What am I?
- Replies: 28
- Views: 19997
Re: Another Puzzle...What am I?
Melissa One last PS Interestingly Turquoise and Indigo though look and act similar these two are vastly different when mixed with what I call a master gene whether it be recessive or sex linked eg: Pallid,Ino,Cinnamon,Bronz Fallow,CH Fallow,CHCT etc. Turquoise produces yellow that is much deeper whe...
- Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:30 am
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Another Puzzle...What am I?
- Replies: 28
- Views: 19997
Re: Another Puzzle...What am I?
Melissa Surprisingly neither of the two morphs of Indigo show yellow or lemon markers under the wing or tail which is surprising when you consider the Aqua morph to look so close to being identical to Emerald.(Emerald should be solid colour all over Indigo is always patchy) Indigo certainly can in s...
- Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:10 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Another Puzzle...What am I?
- Replies: 28
- Views: 19997
Re: Another Puzzle...What am I?
Melissa I don't have Emeralds though I do have a family of Indigo that I have been working with for some years. What I am confident of these birds appear in different colour morphs that is indicated in the colour of psittacine, one being Wild Green the other being Aqua Green now before the hysteric ...
- Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:30 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: No Neckring when Mature
- Replies: 19
- Views: 5906
Re: No Neckring when Mature
These are the problems that can be expected when birds have been produced using a cocktail of mutations. A new mutation is not produced by simply mixing a culdron of genes and different mutations.
- Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:02 am
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: DF or Sf Violet Green
- Replies: 7
- Views: 2931
Re: DF or Sf Violet Green
Hi everyone I asked this question a long time ago and was told the true DF violet is identified by having a PURPLE tail this is applicable for both the v green and the v blue a darker electric blue tail simpley is'nt good enough. Regards
- Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:01 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: if you were asked to guess..
- Replies: 9
- Views: 2609
Re: if you were asked to guess..
Cinamon violet (lavender)
- Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:48 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: A blue puzzle
- Replies: 40
- Views: 17586
Re: A blue puzzle
Hi Recio what I mean by blue evolution was extracted from T Martin first publication where he explained the rational behind it the theory is based on the blue locus in IRN was damaged or interfere with during its EVOLUTIONARY journey causing the locus to split or duplicate this summary is precise wh...
- Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:04 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: A blue puzzle
- Replies: 40
- Views: 17586
Re: A blue puzzle
Hi I refer to Terry Martin's theory re duplication of the blue locus Deon Smith book 2012 page 72 there is a better publication on this subject printed elsewhere but I need to find it .This information is readily available and is regularly discussed locally around here I'm surprised you haven't come...
- Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:13 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: A blue puzzle
- Replies: 40
- Views: 17586
Re: A blue puzzle
Hi my guess is blue 2 on right and blue 1 one left this observation was first commented by Babu some years ago where he pointed to b1 as being the normal expression until the parblue mutations started producing the b2 he also pointed to both phenotype were difficult to pick when seperated this bring...
- Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:17 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: SL Edged
- Replies: 273
- Views: 3903221
Re: SL Edged
Hi all Here is a photo of the father to the edged youngsters this bird along with 4 blue split chf fallow brothers all looked to be typical chf (coloured) only they did'nt have the red eyes or clearhead I had one IRN breeder visit me and he had me catch up these splits to examine them close up as he...
- Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:48 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: SL Edged
- Replies: 273
- Views: 3903221
Re: SL Edged
Tienie Thankyou for your input there are several cocks that have been produced in this line, 6 of which have sired clutches of babies there has been several CHF produced as well as normals (splits) none of these young have been cinnamon I would say we can rule this out. Both the edged young in the p...
- Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:03 am
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: SL Edged
- Replies: 273
- Views: 3903221
Re: SL Edged
Johan the reason we suspect opaline in the mix is the original cock CH (progenitor) was rumoured to have been split opaline and having viewed a photo posted by Ben of one of Carr birds ref:http://parakeet.me/irn/f/edge/SL%20Edge ... mother.jpg we thought the resemblance to our subject bird to close ...
- Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:12 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: SL Edged
- Replies: 273
- Views: 3903221
Re: SL Edged
Hi All This photo was sent to me by a friend that started working with a line of CH Fallows awhile ago and this year being her first breeding season produced 4 babies in the nest, two of which are normal, one we believe to be a SL Edged, the fourth one we believe to be an SL Edged CH Fallow, however...
- Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:22 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Dom Pied Possibiliy being Same As Spangled Budgie Mutation
- Replies: 14
- Views: 4994
Re: Dom Pied Possibiliy being Same As Spangled Budgie Mutati
Hi Lee the question remains I agree with your observations of birds with regard to amount of pattern visible (spangle) however this needs to be in context with the development of the mutation plus the normal variation between pied individuals I believe as the mutation is developed these indicators w...
- Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:25 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Emerald Green Fluorescence
- Replies: 95
- Views: 83699
Re: Emerald Green Fluorescence
Deon, the Emerald mutation arrived as a 4 pack with a fellow of your name, who, unfortunately is no longer with us. Two of these were reared and were the foundation of the Australian Emerald. Both these birds, a hen and a cock, were in the same hands and were paired with blues till their owners pas...
- Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:44 pm
- Forum: Mutations/Genetics
- Topic: Emerald Green Fluorescence
- Replies: 95
- Views: 83699
Re: Emerald Green Fluorescence
Recio what I am saying is what the late JS discussed several times over various visits to his property he always maintained that the Emeralds were not part of the travel package he recieved around the late 90's and as he stated in his article in the ABK he aquired the original hen here in Aus he nev...