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Jim

They breed based on environmental cues. One of the cues is an increasing amount of daylight so you can see breeding activity as early as January in the northern hemisphere and it can last through April.

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I don't think he's a pallid either. My guess is that he's a blue cinnamon and that the picture, taken in bright overhead sunlight, is making it hard to see the darker markings on his wingtips. If he were dilute, I don't see how you'd get the lighter colored baby unless the female were split for dilu...

Jim

Double and even triple clutching in a season is possible but it usually only happens if you pull the eggs shortly after they are laid and incubate them artificially or foster them with another set of parents. In your case, another clutch from the birds you are getting is probably unlikely this seaso...

Jim

I'm sorry to hear things aren't going well. Eggs can sometimes hatch later than expected if the temperature was a little low or if the hen didn't start sitting on them until a couple of days after they were laid. However, if the eggs were viable it would be pretty obvious at this point when you cand...

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A female hatched in 2007 will probably be ready to breed in 2009. Some males are ready in 2 years but some need another year. A couple of people have told me that they've had success about half the time with a 2 year old male. That's an interesting question about birds from a second clutch. I have n...

Jim

Can you post a picture? A grey IRN with a black tail and some blue markings sounds pretty odd.

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I'm sorry. I didn't fully answer your questions.

Corn is fine, either fresh or frozen.

Peppers in general are fine and I've never heard or read anything about the seeds being a problem. Apple seeds are thought to be a no-no, but not pepper seeds as far as I know.

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A bird's feathers are very much a reflection of their diet, but the feathers themselves don't change much after they've grown in. Birds are always losing and replacing a few feathers so you'll see a little bit of the effects of a diet change shorrtly after the change occurs but where you'll really s...

Jim

Feeding fruits and vegetables every day is fine. Make sure you offer a variety of vegetables, as different vegetables have different nutrient profiles.

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The outcome depends on whether the female has one or two turquoise genes. Unfortunately, there's no reliable way to tell visually. If she has two turquoise genes, all the babies will be turquoise pallids (pastel lacewing). If she only has one turquoise gene, half the babies will be turquoise pallid ...

Jim

First, a big thank you for adopting a bird. You may well have an African there. Indians tend to have very little dark coloration on the upper mandible. They are two subspecies of the same species and all of what you see on this site is equally applicable to Africans. Good luck with her. It sounds li...

Jim

A couple of tricks for getting a reluctant bird to eat pellets... 1. Offer them pellets only (no fruits, vegetables or seeds) for a few hours first thing in the morning. 2. Spread some pellets on a small mirror on the bottom of the cage. They'll very often want to investigate it and start pecking at...

Jim

Any update on this?

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Jim

As if I needed any further temptation to move to Australia...

Good luck with those guys.

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Jim

Ah, you're a few hours south of me.

One of my kids is a herper. He's bred cornsnakes and kingsnakes and recently got his first pair of ball pythons.

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Jim

We actually asked the obstetrician about this the last time my wife was pregnant. Cats are evidently the only animals who shed the toxoplasmosis in their feces. Birds can catch it but they don't transmit it.

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Jim

You're welcome.

Where in Texas are you, if you don't mind my asking?

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Good question. Let's pull out the ever so handy avian medicine textbook and take a look...

It seems as though parrots can contract a form of heartworm, but it also seems as though it's very rare especially outside of cockatoos and even then doesn't actually seem to make them very sick.

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Jim

Enlargement of the thyroid glands, whether due to injury or due to another cause, is not normal.

If there's some kind of swelling on your bird's throat that wasn't there previously then going to the vet is a very good idea.

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Jim

It's been my experience that young IRN's can be pretty clumsy. Nothing to worry about.

Also, did your bird get it's nails trimmed at the vet? That can make them a little unsteady until they get used to their shorter nails.

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Jim

It sounds very much like the thyroid glands.

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Jim

I think you might actually have a blue pallid there. Female clearhead/cleartails usually don't lose much, if any, color on their heads. A very pretty bird no matter what it is, though.

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Jim

Assuming your female is not split to anything... If bred to a lutino (yellow) male, you will get lutino females and green males split to ino. The ino gene prevents the production of melanin and has the effect of turning an otherwise green bird yellow and an otherwise blue bird white. There are two f...

Jim

When you put the torch (or flashlight as we like to say here) to the eggs, was the liquid completely uniform in color or did you notice a slightly darker spot somewhere or a dark ring around the edge of the liquid? If you saw either of those, it may have been fertile but died very early and the cold...

Jim

People seem to have the best results pulling the chicks between 3 and 4 weeks after they hatch.

You mentioned that the hen is lutino. What does the father look like?

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Jim

Are the eggs from both of your pairs infertile or just one of the pairs?

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Maybe a little off from the original topic, but the differences between aviculture in Australia and the US certainly make for an interesting discussion. $20-30 Aussie dollars is about $16-25 US dollars. It's amazing that you guys can get a green IRN for that. They go for about $200 here. On the high...

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Oops. My bad. Looks like there's pictures of pallid violet blues and non-pallid violet greens but no pallid violet greens.

Jim

http://home.wanadoo.nl/psittaculaworld/ ... rameri.htm

About 1/3 of the way down the page.

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Jim

Hello and welcome.

Always nice to meet another herper. One of my sons breeds ball pythons.

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Jim

My impression from half the world away is that in Australia IRN's are much more popular relative to other birds than they are here, and consequently in relatively more plentiful supply and cheaper than they are here. My vet says she sees about 10 IRN's a year as compared to over 200 cockatiels.

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Hijacking the thread for a moment... You've gotten 11 straight blues from a SF turquoise to blue pairing??!! Wow. The chances of that happening are less than 1 in 2,000. (Professional math nerd here. I can't help but get excited about stuff like that.) OK. You can have the thread back now. Jim

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An albino will go for about $300-$400 in the U.S. You might be able to do a little better but if you're getting a vet visit and a large bag of food for $500 you're certainly not getting ripped off. An albino is a combination of the blue and ino genes, both of which have been around for a while and b...

Jim

Dominant refers only to it's mode of inheritance with respect to wild type genes. It's not necessarily dominant over all other mutations. I believe that dominant pied will be masked in an ino bird, just like the violet is masked in your albino hen. Both pied and ino work by shutting off melanin prod...

Jim

Hi Serkan,

If you want to try pellets, there are a couple of places in Germany and Italy that might be able to ship to you.

www.avifood.com
www.pappagallostore.it

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Jim

You're very welcome. The trick with gencalc is figuring how to describe your bird's genes in gencalc's nomenclature. It takes some practice. Again, that is a fantastic pairing you have there. I am EXTREMELY envious that you have a chance to hatch out a turquoise violet male. It's my very favorite IR...

Jim

Go ahead and leave the feathers in. They're not hurting anything by staying there and, as you point out, you might make him mad if you attempted to pull them out. They'll fall out naturally when he moults. As far as the cage goes, ideally there should be at least enough room for him to spread his wi...

Jim

Hi Serkan, That guy's lucky you found him. His dark, stringy feathers are a pretty good example of what a bird looks like that hasn't been fed properly. Fruits are fine but are much less dense in nutrients than vegetables. See if you can get him to eat dark green vegetables like broccoli and green p...

Jim

Hi Melissa, I'm going to assume that by pastelblue lacewing you're referring to a turquoiseblue pallid and that the violet hen is a single factor violet blue. That will give you the following: Males: 25% blue split for pallid 25% turquoiseblue split for pallid 25% single factor violet blue split for...

Jim

Compared to a lot of other species of parrots, IRN's are not usually thought of as a species that forms strong pair bonds. You may not see much pair bond behavior outside of the breeding season. Where are you located? IRN's tend to show breeding behavior in response to environmental cues, especially...

Jim

That's a very insightful article. Thanks for posting it.

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Jim

Males of some species of birds have what I will delicately refer to as "male bird junk", but parrots are not among those species. Male parrots are able to slightly evert their cloaca in order to facilitate fertilization but, yes, the cloacae essentially need to be rubbed together for ferti...

Jim

You're probably going to end up with all silvers from that pair unless both of them are single factor for the grey gene, in which case 1 in 4 birds will be a blue cinnamon.

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Jim

Sounds like your birds listen about as well as mine...

If your hen had listened and chose the silver (grey cinnamon) you'd have quite a few more possibilities. At least you still have a shot at a blue pallid.

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Jim

Hi Stacy, It's not clear from your post whether the male is a visual pallid (lacewing) or is split for pallid. No problem, though. We can figure it out for both combinations. Blue pallid male x blue female: Males: 100% Blue split for pallid Females: 100% Blue pallid Blue male split for pallid x blue...

Jim

A normal green male bred to a pallid (lacewing) green female will produce normal green females and normal green males. All of the males will be split for pallid.

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Jim

One other thing worth noting...the babies that are visually cinnamon (all the females in this case) will have lighter toenails than the ones that aren't so you can tell who's who even before their feathers come in.

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By gold olive I'm assuming that the male is, in what is as close as there is to a standard parlance, a greygreen cinnamon. Grey is a dominant gene and therefore your bird will look the same whether he has one copy of the grey gene or two copies. There's no way to tell just by looking at him. It does...

Jim

What does Nibbler look like? Is he a normal green or something else?

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It's fine to breed birds of different colors together. If your birds are not split for any mutations all of the offspring from this pairing will be visually green but split for blue. By "split", I mean that they will carry a recessive gene that does not show up on the bird visually but can...

Jim

Hopefully things will continue to go well for you. Shoulders is one of those things where there seems to be a wide range of opinion. Some people think that allowing a bird on your shoulder encourages the bird to act in a dominant manner and therefore may lead to behavior problems. Others don't have ...

Jim

While reading another post related to bites I came up with a list of species that have bitten me, ranked in order of most to least painful. 1. Patagonian Conure 2. Moustache Parakeet 3. Eclectus 4. Black Capped Conure 5. IRN 6. Cockatiel (Little monsters get ahold of you and twist and don't let go.)...

Jim

First, thank you for being willing to rescue a bird. The bird world needs more like you. The primary thing is to be patient. They need some time to adjust to their new surroundings. You might be best off not even trying to handle them for a few days and insetad just spend some quiet time near their ...

Jim

One other thought with regard to identifying your bird. You mentioned the bird's parents in the original post. If neither of the bird's parents showed the "lacewing" mutation then the bird is probably a pallid, as dominant edged would have to be visible in one of the parents. Also, if your...

Jim

Any progress with this?

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Jim

The nomenclature issue is a problem outside of South Australia too. It can be really intimidating and confusing to a newcomer who's trying to educate him/herself. There's a group of people in Belgium and The Netherlands who've taken it upon themselves to come up with standard genetic terminology for...

Jim

The lacewing mutation is also known as pallid. I don't personally have any pallid birds but Jay - a very knowledgable breeder who is active on this forum - has some pictures of pallids on his site.

http://www.indianringneck.net/MutationPics.html

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My "you've got it correct" comment was in response to your first post. I hadn't seen your second post yet. Let's try answering that one too... Pallidino is a combination of one pallid gene and one ino gene. The pallid and ino genes occupy the same spot on the X chromosome and, therefore, a...

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Yes. You've got it correct.

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Jim

First, congratulations on your new bird. The most important thing is patience. Three days isn't much time for the bird to get acclimated to her new surroundings and it's perfectly normal for her to be very wary of you right now. For the next few days, try some very low key things that don't involve ...

Jim

Your bird probably has the turquoise gene. The turquoise gene is a variation of the blue gene that causes a few green feathers to grow. I have a turquoise female that I originally thought was just blue until she grew in a few green feathers. I don't know how common it is for a turquoise bird to init...

Jim

Very nice looking birds.

What part of Holland? I've been lucky enough to visit your country a few times for work, mostly in Utrecht and Den Haag.

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Just to reiterate...a nutrition issue is just one possible cause and getting them into some natural sunlight to stimulate Vitamin D production is just one possible remedy. Heck, it's entirely possible that they eat their droppings simply because they - and I'm getting nauseous just typing this - lik...

Jim

Yes, ino is a sex linked gene. In birds, a male needs to inherit copies of the ino gene from both his parents in order to be visually ino. Females can only inherit the ino gene from their father and as a result of this need only one copy of the gene to be visually ino. Birds are the reverse of human...

Jim

A DNA test won't tell you anything about the age of the bird, just which sex it is. Different people have different opinions about wing clipping and I don't think it's as simple as right or wrong or good or bad. Some people like having a fully feathered, flighted bird. Others find that birds with cl...

Jim

No problem. Are you up near Newcastle? Probably hard to find a sunny day no matter the time of the year... As an alternative to the liquid vitamins, you can offer him some fresh vegetables if you're not doing that already. Broccoli, bell peppers and pumpkin are favorites with my birds but just about...

Jim

This is called coprophagia and there are a few different reasons your bird might be doing it. It could be caused by a nutritional deficiency of some sort or it may be a reaction to some sort of stress or even something he does out of boredom. I've read of a couple instances where the suspected defic...

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I can't tell from the picture. However, since Jasper is an albino there might be a way to figure it out if you know what his/her mother looked like. If Jasper's mother were anything other than a lutino or an albino it's a pretty safe bet that Jasper is female.

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Another related possibility is that one or both of the parents has a bacterial infection that they are passing along to the eggs. Having an avian veterinarian examine the parents is something to consider, especially if none of the environmental factors that Fah mentioned seem like a likely cause. Jim

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Hi Carmen, Here's my 2 cents... I have 3 IRN's, a moustache parakeet and a whole mess of budgies. I also have five kids, ranging in age from 2 to 16. The IRN's are all pretty gentle but, for the safety of both the birds and the kids, the birds are never loose around the kids without my supervision. ...

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With two birds that are split for recessive pied only one in four babies on average will be visually pied. It's certainly possible that the probabilities just didn't work out with this clutch. If you got an albino, your birds are definitely both split for blue and your male is split for ino as well....

Jim

I have a female who does the dance too. If you want to be 100% sure you can have her (him?) DNA tested.

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Jim

Yes, an albino bird is actually a product of two different genes being visually expressed - both the blue and the ino.

Make sure you have the visual blue box checked for both parents. For the male, also check one of the ino boxes in the split column and for the female check the SF grey box.

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Jim

It sounds like the blue male is split for ino. If you set it up on gencalc with the male as a visual blue and split for ino and set up the female as SF grey and blue (birds that appear grey have both the grey and blue gene) you'll get 25% of the female offspring as blue ino, which is albino.

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Waiting until breeding season certainly won't make things worse. If you can, put the female in the male's cage for breeding season instead of the other way around. That sometimes helps curb some of the aggression.

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Jim

DF Violet? When did the father become violet? I give up. I'm sticking to IRN's.

Jim

There's a picture of a blue turquoise in this thread:

http://www.indianringneck.com/board/vie ... php?t=4899

Is yours starting to look a little like that? About the same color green coming in on the back and the wings?

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I've always been amazed that something that small can bite that hard... Swan, I'm not sure what else I can tell you about those birds. My admittedly uneducated guess is that the two light ones are both pallid and that the one with the darker tail is violet and that the green ones are both dark aqua ...

Jim

It's possible that your bird is a blue turquoise. Was the change in color accompanied by any molting? I have a cinnamon blue turquoise that I thought was just a blue cinnamon until her first molt. Also, how old is the bird?

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Jim

OK. I've slept off the jetlag and am thinking more clearly now. The idea that the male is split for ino or pallid makes sense given the way the lighter two look. It seems probable as well (but doesn't guarantee) that the father is recessive pied rather than dominant pied as none of the babies appear...

Jim

I'm a little lost now. Is the current thinking now that the father is split for pallid? And are you also thinking that the father is recessive rather than dominant pied?

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Jim

I can figure out the genetics behind the mutations but I'm not real familiar with what the lovebird mutations actually look like. About all the help I can offer is to note that all the birds must have at least one turquoise gene and that none of them look pied so you can reduce the question to deter...

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Since the male is grey but the baby looks turquoise blue you can assume that the male is single factor.

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Jim

But how do I know if he has autosomal or sex-linked chromosomes? Would he have to be the offspring of a sex-linked pair? Your bird has lots of pairs of autosomal chromosomes (no one's really sure exactly how many due to the presence of small ones called microchromosomes) and one pair of sex linked ...

Jim

Glad to have another Jim from Texas on the board. You said the breeder said they had already been split. Do you know what the breeder meant by this? When discussing parrot genetics split means that a bird has recessive traits, i.e., genetic characteristics that don't manifest themselves visually but...

Jim

I've been to Pride Park twice - for matches against Sunderland and Tottenham. If memory serves me correctly both were in 2001. Great atmosphere.

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It's fine for the bird to eat orange peel as a component of a balanced diet. Their nutrient composition is different from the rest of the orange but it is believed to contain both cholesterol lowering and anti-carcinogenic compounds. I think most people don't eat it, except grated in small amounts a...

Jim

Julie's picture kind of looks like some sort of cinnamon lutino, but the ino gene would suppress the melanin production and, consequently, the cinnamon appearance even if the cinnamon gene was there, right?

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Cinnamon grey split for blue? Cool.

Males:

25% grey split for cinnamon
25% blue split for cinnamon
25% greygreen split for blue and cinnamon
25% green split for blue and cinnamon

Females:

25% grey
25% blue
25% greygreen split for blue
25% green split for blue

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Jim

The nomenclature problem rears it's ugly head. She doesn't look like a green cinnamon in the sense that I was using the term. Pallid maybe? Jump in any time here, Jay.

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Sorry to hear you're not having much luck. another Question sorry the baby is to young to tell what coulor it is but one of the babies tha died had very black claws which I asume would have been green the other three including the one that is a live have lighter grey claws could these be mutations p...

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Hello and welcome.

I assume you're a Rams supporter. I have fond memories of Pride Park.

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Jim

She's probably got a Marvin Gaye CD going to encourage them.

If that's a cinammon green female and there are no splits you're looking at green females split for blue and green males split for cinammon and blue in a few weeks.

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Nil, I certainly didn't mean to offend you with the "Easy there, tiger." I think any of the native English speakers on the board will tell you that it was just a funny way of saying "Wait a moment and let me explain myself." If it bothered you, please know that I apologize and as...

Jim

It seems complicated, and when Jay or I or some others get going on it we probably make it seem even more so, but I agree with Jay completely. Most anyone can learn this stuff.

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Jim

You raise a very good point that bears repeating. Virtually everything - from chicken to organically grown carrots to stream water in Pittsburgh - is toxic to all species at some level. Take Vitamin A precursors - which are highly concentrated in carrots and sweet potatoes - for example. They have b...

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*smiles and blushes*

Jim

Hello and welcome. That picture is priceless.

What species of Uromastyx? One of my favorite herps...

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Jim

jim the difference between appricot and peach, corm with rice or wheat and potatoes with tapioca are the same than the difference of corm and cows meat or chicken bone? Easy there, tiger. I don't recall implying anything remotely like that. I was trying to get clarification on what BigChicken meant...

Jim

I know that a parrot isn’t a Iguana, but personally I feel that giving any animal something that it would never eat in the wild as part of it’s regular diet, is just not healthy. Are you suggesting that things like corn, peaches, tomatoes and sweet potatoes should not be part of an IRN's diet? Thos...

Jim

Hello and welcome to the board. I was fortunate enough to be able to visit South Africa a couple of years ago and absolutely loved it.

If you're training with food rewards and your bird doesn't like some of the usual treats it sounds like using passionfruit as a reward might be the solution.

Jim

Jim

Jim is exactly right. Lauren was kind enough not to add "for the first time in recorded history". Texas is a very pleasant place to live but I have a hard time thinking of it as cool and exotic, unless one has a fascination with armadillos and longhorn cattle. No native parrots. Again, we...

Jim

The University of Pennsylvania has some provisions for allowing birds in on-campus residences. Admission is very competitive and tuition is very expensive, though. The State University of New York at Canton also has a one dormitory set aside for students with pets. You can probably find a few others...

Jim

First, kudos to you for rescuing a bird. Sounds like you've come down with Multiple Bird Syndrome - an affliction that, happily, is difficult to cure. I managed to bring up the picture by pasting m into my browser. It's hard to tell from that picture what exactly you have but my guess, based on what...

Jim

You hit the nail on the head my brotherfromanothermother. It's fast and convenient for someone who already knows how to put together Punnett squares.

Not that I can think of another way to set up something like that or anything. I'm just being a curmudgeon.

Jim

A few things other than 8 grams of chicken that contain 2-3 grams of protein: 15 grams of soybeans 10 grams of salmon 100 grams of sweet potatoes 125 grams of broccoli 12 grams of peanuts 12 grams of pumpkin seeds 450 grams of grapes and - my method for my birds - 20 grams of Harrison's pellets. Alm...

Jim

That genetic calculator has the unfortunate characteristic that if you have the genetics knowledge to operate it you're pretty close to not needing the calculator in the first place.

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Jim

There's nothing inherently wrong with giving chicken to your birds. It's one of many ways to provide them with the 2-3 grams per day of protein they require. In fact, chicken is a dietarily complete protein while most vegetables, legumes, nuts and seeds are not. It supplies all of the amino acids th...

Jim

This thread linked below discusses the same pairing. The sexes of the birds are reversed as compared to the one in this thread but it doesn't matter for the genes in question.

http://indianringneck.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=4899

Jim

I don't quite understand the question. Are you trying to figure out all the potential offpsring from that pairing?

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Jim

just add more seeds for the ringnecks.

What's the reason for increasing the amount of seeds for an IRN relative to a diet for other birds?

Jim

Jim

I've always gotten a chuckle out of driving through McDonald's for my kids while driving 30 miles across town to buy organically grown papaya and broccoli for the birds.

That reminds me Lauren - Do they still have the McOz burgers with carrots and beets in Australia?

Jim

It's not that someone just tossed a spinal cord in front of their bird and said have at it. The problems with BSE occured when manufacturers of cattle feed were using nervous system tissue as part of their formulation. Cow eats feed. British person eats cow. Ten to fifteen years later about two doze...

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It's actually not unheard of for birds to be...umm...same sex pair bonded. I have two male budgies who would probably refer to themselves as "fabulous" if they could ever break away from eachother long enough to learn to talk. IRN's aren't known for forming strong pair bonds, however, and ...

Jim

Nil,

You mentioned some BSE-like symptoms in parrots. Are these documented anywhere? I'd be very interested in reading more about this.

Thanks
Jim

Jim

Today, my trigger finger was on the mouse ... I'll let you have the next one Jim

No harm done my friend. The people need answers!

Jim

Jay beat me to it...

One other question, though. What part of the world are you in? It's getting to be the later part of the breeding season for IRNs in the southern hemisphere and if you're in the northern hemisphere you're 3-4 months away from any breeding activity.

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Jim

I feed my three IRN's as follows: 2 teaspoons Harrison's high potency fine 1 piece Harrison's Power Treats 1/2 teaspoon of either squash, sweet potato, broccoli, peach, papaya or mango They like the high potency coarse too but I found that too much of it got wasted on the bottom of the cage. They ar...

Jim

There are pictures of all kinds of mutations including Turquoise Blue at Zahir Rana's Pisttacula World site.

http://home.wanadoo.nl/psittaculaworld/ ... rameri.htm

Jim

Jim

Ah. That makes sense. I was looking at the picture and thinking "Cool. There's an Ino gene. Julie could get all kinds of things." That thought was quickly interrupted by "Waitaminute. A grey and a blue turquoise can't make a yellow bird."

Jim

The Jim and Jay-ese to English dictionary. Coming soon to a Barnes and Noble near you.

Julie - you mentioned that the IRN's in kateykat's signature might be the offspring of your birds. Does that include the yellow one in the middle photo?

Jim

Well, I have two cents siiting next to the computer here. Might as well throw them in... First, Angie makes a good point. A bird who is owned by someone who's willing to think about and investigate proper nutrition has a huge advantage when it comes to living a long and healthy life. The book "...

Jim

For those of you without your Jim and Jay-ese to English dictionaries handy, Jay's response translates into "no, not really".

Jim

I had a plane stopover in Singapore a couple of years ago and decided to stay an extra day to buy some fish from David Lim at Fishiotribe. He won Aquarama in 2003 with a spotted leopard snakeskin. Real nice guy. I e-mailed him a few days before I got there and he responded with an offer to pick me u...

Jim

And if if your grey male were split for cinnamon, which isn't uncommon, then things get even more complicated...

Jay - is there any way to determine visually if a grey or turquoise bird is single or double factor for their respective genes?

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Jim

I'm beginning to suspect we were identical twins seperated at birth. You aren't by any chance a 6'2" 39 year old redhead, are you? I moved to Dallas from Seatlle last January and left behind most of the tanks and fish, bringing along only a pair of Thai Yellow and a pair of Red Snakeskins. I'll...

Jim

Ah. Turquoise. I'm sorry. I'd heard that they're sometimes called pastel and didn't make the connection. That makes it a little different. Turquoise is bit like grey in that a bird that exhibits the gene visually can have either one or two copies of it. So your male could be grey with either one or ...

Jim

I'm going to assume that by "pastel blue" you mean what is usually just called blue and not dilute blue or pallid blue or something else. Grey is kind of a funny gene. A visually grey bird can have either one or two copies of the grey gene and that affects the outcome. If the male has two ...

Jim

I've posted a few times in the breeding section but thought I should introduce myself... My name's Jim. I live just outside of Dallas with three IRN's (Jeff, Shiva and Parvati), a moustache parakeet (Tristan), nine budgies (Spiderman, Snowball, Garcia, Ophelia, Casper, Jiggy, Boom-Boom, Dennis and C...

Jim

Just to follow up on your original post in light of DDP's comments, a turquoiseblue male bred to a blue female will give you the following:

25% turquoiseblue males
25% blue males
25% turquoiseblue females
25% blue females

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Jim

Hi Gordie, If your lutino male and your blue female aren't split for anything you get the following: Males - 100% green split for blue and and ino Females - 100% lutino split for blue The turquoise and blue genes occupy the same allele on their chromosome (Jay, correct me if I'm wrong on this) and t...

Jim

Yes, I'm in Texas. I live in Keller...a few miles north of Ft. Worth.

Jim

Do you get any of the black cockatoos aside from the Gang-Gangs? And on a point vaguely related to the original post...Three green babies from a blue male and a lutino female isn't anywhere near enough babies to definitively conclude that you don't have some recessive gene that could express itself ...

Jim

In good hands with Jay at least...I was just lucky enough to have a good biology professor in college.

Kyria - where in Australia do you live? I've been to Brisbane and Sydney for work a few times and the sight of a flock of cockatoos perching on a telephone wire never ceases to amaze me.

Jim

I'm afraid I can't help you with the picture.

Again, if you know anything about either of your pair's parents we can at least do some educated guessing as to whether or not you'll end up with anything other than visually green babies.

Jim

Jim

Cash-laden? I wish. I've got four sons and my birds only eat Harrison's so I'm broke.

Poor Ty. He just wanted an answer to his genetics question and now we've hijacked it...

Jim

DDP,

No problem. Just send me a violet cleartail male and we'll call it even.

Jim

If you assume that your birds are not split for anything (that they don't have any recessive traits that are not being visually expressed) the offspring will be as follows: Males - 100% green split for blue and ino Females - 100% green split for blue Do you know anything about either bird's parents?...

Jim

One more thing you might help me clarify - The lower the RF the closer the two loci are on the chromosome, correct? The genes swap chromosomes during recombination in randomly cut strings and it seems to me that if one chromosome has the mutated pallid gene and the wild type cinammon gene it's very ...

Jim

I see.

Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.

Jim

P.S. - I have a male moustache parakeet who wants to know how to get one of those 10,000 offspring testmating jobs.

Jim

Got it. Thanks.

Where did you come up with the 3% crossover rate for the cinammon and pallid genes?

Jim

Jim

I'm new to the forum and have a question about the interaction between cinammon and pallid genes. I have a blue cinammon female and have the opportunity to acquire a blue pallid male. My understanding is that the resulting offspring would be as follows: Males - 100% Blue split for cinammon and palli...

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