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by Jay
Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:01 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

[If you have invested $2000 on a visual Cleartail and $800 on a visual Buttercup. Would you risk producing Green birds from this pairing and lose a potential $4000 Cleartail clutch or $2000 Buttercup clutch? I won't. Afterall, IRN color breeding among rarer mutations is also an economic endeavor. O...
by Jay
Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:35 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

Hi, I understand the first lady for your NSLino male, but I do not understand why to choose miss buttercup? What are your neurons cooking about NSLino and buttercup? If Cleartail turns out to be allelic to NSLIno, and Bronze_Fallow is a proven allele of NSLIno, then Cleartail turns out to be a type...
by Jay
Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:32 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

Hi Jay; I agree with you that for a particular bird it is not possible to say if he is SF or DF violet. But the question is not there but in the concept of probabilities : Results from breeders show that the probability of having a DF violet is higher in deep violet IRN, and that the probability of...
by Jay
Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:38 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

I have a problem with this theory: I have never hear of getting bronze fallows from cleartail breeding. May be it is just because they have appeared and evolved as separate mutations (it was not the case for NSLino and cleartail), Recio, I believe all IRN mutations evolved on their own and not simu...
by Jay
Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:21 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

OK Jay :D . Now seriously: when a gene, as violet, is differently expressed by different birds, so that sometimes you can make the difference between DF and SF birds, but not always, it is called variable expressivity . It means that the amount of change in feather structure produced by just one al...
by Jay
Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:08 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

To clear something up for me the NSLino birds you are talking about are these all albino or lutino looking birds? I am curious as i have a big whitehead and white tail breeder coming here to see some of my birds and im going to ask if he ever gets any albino or lutino looking young from his birds.B...
by Jay
Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:03 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

Re: colour

Hi Jay,Madas and Recio. To get off topic a little bit i have read i think in the 2nd bastiaans book that pied is or can be made up from mating a bronze fallow and something else.Looking for what i read about this. Have any of you heard of this?? Here in Australia there is a few dominant pied breede...
by Jay
Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:58 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

Hi, I understand the first lady for your NSLino male, but I do not understand why to choose miss buttercup? What are your neurons cooking about NSLino and buttercup? Is it not obvious? If cleartail could be an allele of NSLino then perhaps clearhead Fallow too. Hi Madas Not, this is not obvious sin...
by Jay
Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:57 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

@Jay: Which eye color does your lutino offspring have? From afar, the NSLInos that I produce look the same as SLInos. But if you look closely at their feathers, there seem to be less residual melanin... manifested by less grey stains on Blue series birds and less or absence of greenish sheen on NSL...
by Jay
Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:53 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

Hi, I understand the first lady for your NSLino male, but I do not understand why to choose miss buttercup? What are your neurons cooking about NSLino and buttercup? If Cleartail turns out to be allelic to NSLIno, and Bronze_Fallow is a proven allele of NSLIno, then Cleartail turns out to be a type...
by Jay
Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:35 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

Wow this thread really took off on me. Lucky I have the entire weekend to read through all the replies :lol:
by Jay
Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:29 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Mating
Replies: 11
Views: 843

I have been told a 3yr or older hen will raise young by herself where as a 2yr old will rely on the cock to feed her to. I think it has nothing to do with age but rather experience. Presumably a 2 year old hen has never had the experience of feeding her babies so she is relying purely on instinct. ...
by Jay
Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:21 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Mating
Replies: 11
Views: 843

I've read up on this awhile back and I recall one avian veterinarian wrote in an article that in parrots, male sperm has a lifespan of only up to 1 week. Another article I read from college students making experiments confirmed this. I'll try to dig up these articles. Not sure how long IRNs sperm ce...
by Jay
Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:56 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

So what does this all mean? I say the darkness (or lightness) of a Violet bird also depends on the darkness/lightness of the Blue alleles that it inherits from its parents. Afterall, a visual Violet bird is a combination of Blue and Violet Factor. And we all know for a fact that not all Blue birds ...
by Jay
Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:47 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

OK Jay :D . Now seriously: when a gene, as violet, is differently expressed by different birds, so that sometimes you can make the difference between DF and SF birds, but not always, it is called variable expressivity . It means that the amount of change in feather structure produced by just one al...
by Jay
Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:16 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

This can also apply to the example of violet Madas wrote about. Hmm... not sure about Violet being incomplete dominant. I've bred dozens of Violets and DF and SF Violets sometimes can't be determined visually. Several American Violet breeders who have bred hundreds of Violets over the years say the...
by Jay
Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:27 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

So lets's say almost-quasy-incomplete dominant. In fact it just mean that there is a whole array of different % expression depending on what genes we speak about. Either you're Incomplete Dominant or not. No quasi because this will only add more confusion. If there are offsprings that cannot be det...
by Jay
Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:44 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

Incomplete-Dominant is a sub-classification of a Dominant mutation where there is a phenotypical difference between a Single Factor bird and a Double Factor bird such as the case of the Dark Factor (ie. Cobalt and Mauve). This can also apply to the example of violet Madas wrote about. Hmm... not su...
by Jay
Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:28 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

Hi Madas, I am lost about the symbols you use. A priori the symbols to be use should be: NSLino ..... a Bronze fallow ...... a (bz) Cleartail ...... ct (if consider as an independent mutation) Cleartail ..... a (ct) (if considered as an allele of the locus coding for NSLino, just like bronze fallow...
by Jay
Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:55 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

@Recio: Do you think that pallid (lacewing) is really co-dominant? Co-Dominance means there is an intermediate phenotype when two color genes are expressed. This relationship is between two mutant genes. So yes, Pallid and Ino are co-dominant to each other thus producing the intermediate phenotype ...
by Jay
Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:41 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

Curiously in Bastiaan page it is not said that bronze fallow is an allele of cleartail and all the combinations with other mutations have been deleted (?) The allelic relationship of Cleartail and Bronze Fallow (and NSLIno) is just a theory that I suspected (perhaps a few other breeders as well) af...
by Jay
Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:09 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

The question is simple: has anybody paired a bronze fallow (homozygous) to a clairtail (homozygous). I think the reasons no one (on record) has paired Cleartail with Bronze Fallow or NSLIno are: 1. These mutations are rare. 2. Cleartail is still the most expensive and most sought after mutation (at...
by Jay
Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:59 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

@Jay: Which eye color does your lutino offspring have? From afar, the NSLInos that I produce look the same as SLInos. But if you look closely at their feathers, there seem to be less residual melanin... manifested by less grey stains on Blue series birds and less or absence of greenish sheen on NSL...
by Jay
Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:20 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

Bronze Fallow and NSLIno are PROVEN heteroalleles and yet their homozygous phenotypes also differ considerably. Hi Jay, could you further develop this point? Recio, In Indian Ringnecks, Bronze Fallow is an allele of the NSLIno locus. See this link http://www.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=0PsitIR ...
by Jay
Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:10 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

@Jay: what was your thought? Both cleartail and NSLino are recessive?!? And by chance the two gens was combined in the bird from Calcutta. But if both are recessive and not alleles of the same locus then the today cleartail offspring results are not fitting. Normally today we have the same portion ...
by Jay
Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:50 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

and the NSLino factor is more visible because it is homozygot (like the pallidIno; because pallidINo is the mix between lutino and pallid birds). Here I am lost: to me homozygot means that the same allele is present in the same locus of each cromosome. So an homozygous NSLino should genetically be ...
by Jay
Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:35 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

@Jay: Please can you ask the breeder with the lutino or albino offspring from cleartails how the parents look and from which pairing the parents was breed. Madas, I am the breeder as I have produced NSL Lutinos and NSL Albinos from my Cleartail lines. One of the visual male father has a dark neckri...
by Jay
Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:29 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

Hi everybody, Thanks a lot for this great course of genetics. So we have at least 3 multiallele loci: 1. SL lutino/pallid 2. Blue/turquoise/aqua 3. Cleartail/NSL lutino I would like to emphasize that Cleartail and NSLIno as heteroalleles is NOT yet proven but is suspected. However, all breeding exp...
by Jay
Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:15 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

thx Jay. This information is completly new to me (and i think to most other breeders of the cleartail mutation). So to check this i have to pair a rec lutino (rec ino) to a cleartail green. And i should get this: 100% Rec. Lutino / Cleartail (only if cleartail isn't co-dominant to NSLino) Very inte...
by Jay
Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:39 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

Hi Madas, Why do you say that breeding Cleartail to Cleartail produces small, weak or DIS (dead in shell) offsprings? Because it's my experience with breeders in europe. The Cleartail mutation has been bred in captivity for twenty years now and have been outcrossed considerably. So if you are refer...
by Jay
Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:04 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: more color questions
Replies: 8
Views: 1968

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by Jay
Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:34 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

But you should know that this pairing (cleartail x cleartail) isn't the best pairing. your offspring will be small and weak, or will die in the egg. So a better pairing will be split cleartail x cleartail. Hi Madas, Why do you say that breeding Cleartail to Cleartail produces small, weak or DIS (de...
by Jay
Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:30 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Newbie - need crash course on genetics
Replies: 111
Views: 10613

Madas ~ thanks, I will try to contact the breeder and ask the make-up of the parents. :P Hi Leo, The male is a Blue/Cleartail. He came from a Blue/Cleartail father and a Blue Cleartail mother. The hen is a Recessive Albino possibly masking Violet Cleartail but guaranteed to be at least split to Cle...
by Jay
Sat May 02, 2009 2:04 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: dark, grey, slaty and khaki on green series
Replies: 16
Views: 2561

Re: dark, grey, slaty and khaki on green series

Last year somebody I found in the net gave me an IRN female and a lutino male, both 8 years old, that had never reproduced before, as he told me. I did not know if it was a girl or a boy problem, so I paired them to different partners. I thought she was a grey-green and I coupled her to a blue cin ...
by Jay
Sat May 02, 2009 1:59 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: genetic question
Replies: 11
Views: 1224

If the cinnamon locus alters MATP distribution, it means that it alters the distribution of a protein which is not synthesized if SLI is present, so I have always with the same question. TRP1 locus (Cinnamon mutation) does not alter the reactant but rather the catalysts that promotes oxidation of m...
by Jay
Sat May 02, 2009 9:58 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: What is Crimino?
Replies: 10
Views: 986

so if I've read things right the hen is turquoise with ino making her creamino? And the below calculation means all progeny from the pair would be visually turquoise? 1.0 blue x 0.1 turquoise(parblue) ino % from all 1.0 100.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue)Blue /ino % from all 0.1 100.0% 0.1 turquoise(parb...
by Jay
Sat May 02, 2009 8:41 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: genetic question
Replies: 11
Views: 1224

Since the opaline locus is in the sexual cromosomes also, it can also present the same type of interactions that the cin related to the pallid/ino gene/locus. And there must also be interactions between the cin and the opaline genes. When thinking about all the possible combinations between the thr...
by Jay
Sat May 02, 2009 8:19 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: genetic question
Replies: 11
Views: 1224

I have seen the same comment in Mutavi genetics about SLI being unable to mask brown melanin, but I do not understand why. Sex-Linked Ino codes for MATP which is a transport mechanism for tyrosinase needed for melanin synthesis. The cinnamon mutation codes for TRP1 which is need for the final oxida...
by Jay
Sat May 02, 2009 7:44 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: what temperature?
Replies: 8
Views: 4020

Humidity at ~50%. Imran is right on the money at 99 degF incubating temp. Most of the time you'll get quicker answers to your questions by utilizing the board's search engine. Most new questions asked had already been discussed and answered in the past. Add to those threads if specific questions had...
by Jay
Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:57 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: genetic question
Replies: 11
Views: 1224

If the genetics of the father is correct, then the baby who is lighter than the mother is a Cinnamon-Ino crossover offspring, also known as the True Lacewings. There is a 0.75% chance of this offspring being produced. I've discussed the phenomenon of crossovers many times in the past so do a search ...
by Jay
Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:47 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: can a hand-reared tame male pair with a female?
Replies: 2
Views: 415

In my experience, male pets has a lot better chance to breed compared to hens.

When his hormones engage this coming breeding season, perhaps his behavior will change.
by Jay
Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:44 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: What is Crimino?
Replies: 10
Views: 986

Majority of the new questions being asked had already been discussed in the past. I suggest you use the site's search engine and review past topics. Lots of juicy tidbits from current knowledgeable breeders and those who have come and gone. Feel free to add your question to those threads if your spe...
by Jay
Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:17 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Question about color of chicks
Replies: 2
Views: 418

Re: Question about color of chicks

I bought a pair of breeding irn's from a guy in arizona, danny pineda. Everyone i have talked to so far says he is very honest and knows exactly what he is talking about. The pair i bought from him are both lutino's split to blue, according to him. He said they would throw lutino's and white's. So ...
by Jay
Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:28 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: how to feed new baby IRNs?
Replies: 10
Views: 733

when you say "normal for them to beg for more food" does that mean the "yip yip " sound? also, according to the time schedule in the other thread it says 42 - weaned you estimated about 5 weeks so that equals 40 or so days... do i still keep them on the formula? i know they arent fully able to eat ...
by Jay
Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:40 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Slaty Color Ringneck
Replies: 5
Views: 917

Re: Slaty Color Ringneck

BTW, is the Slaty Mutation the same as the Misty and/or Khaki. Due to my ignorance with the german language, I could not decipher if the Khaki/Misty/Slaty were all the same genotype. Genecal.com indicates that Khaki & Misty were the same. Clarification would be appreciated. Khaki and Misty are the ...
by Jay
Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:38 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: how to feed new baby IRNs?
Replies: 10
Views: 733

Thank you Their crop is kept full at the best of my abilities. I still dont know how to estimate their age so i am attaching a picture perhaps someone can shed some light. also even when they're done eating they still make the Yap Yap sound. What does that mean and is it ok to ignore it? http://img...
by Jay
Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:28 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Yellowhead Inquiry
Replies: 7
Views: 758

Re: Yellowhead Inquiry

Jay: Thank for the added clarification. I assume that pairing a male Greygreen CHCT X Green Buttercup is not recommended. This would result in Greygreen & Green IRN split for the CHCT & Buttercup genotype. I original thought that the resultant would be GreyGreen Clearhead/Cleartail & Green Clearhea...
by Jay
Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:10 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Slaty Color Ringneck
Replies: 5
Views: 917

Hi Jay, i have wrote a pm to you some time ago about the same topic. Do you have some more info or pictures of the slaty muation? Thx. I sold all my Slaty breeding stock a couple of years back, so no more pictures. I'm not really impressed with the appearance of this mutation so I chose to concentr...
by Jay
Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:06 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Yellowhead Inquiry
Replies: 7
Views: 758

Re: Yellowhead Inquiry

Thank for the clarifications. The internet websites were quite informative and Jay simply breakdown make it so much less complicated. I really appreciate your assistances. You have save me a bit of time from making some IRN pairing mistakes. BTW, I have seen a few advertisement that states Cleartai...
by Jay
Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:44 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: tame birds
Replies: 1
Views: 419

Re: tame birds

is it poosiable to breed bird that are both tame. ive read that this is not a good idea. why would it be a bad idea to breed two tame birds. i would think that once theyve established some tip of bond that there insticnts would kick in? Tame birds can breed. But they tend to be not as prolific as p...
by Jay
Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:40 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Slaty Color Ringneck
Replies: 5
Views: 917

Re: Slaty Color Ringneck

tuanpm wrote:Does anyone know the genetic breakdown of the Slaty Ringneck? Also, has anyone combo other mutations with this one? Does anyone have any pictures you can share? Would like to learn more about this.

check this thread. http://indianringneck.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=7282
by Jay
Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:39 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Yellowhead Inquiry
Replies: 7
Views: 758

Re: Yellowhead Inquiry

Buttercup the same as a clearhead Fallow and/or Yellowhead Cinnamon? I have seen these names floating around the internet, but, the bird pictures look the same. Can somone kindly tell me what is the difference. Buttercup is the Clearhed_Fallow. There are at least five genotypes that fit the "Yellow...
by Jay
Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:37 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: how to feed new baby IRNs?
Replies: 10
Views: 733

Re: how to feed new baby IRNs?

I bought two IRN babies that are about 4 weeks old and i am very new to feeding them... I bought them the baby formula for real human babies I am told to look for the "Sack" under their throat if its full then thats enough food... i have one thats sack looks terribly full and he's always reaching o...
by Jay
Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:30 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Help please
Replies: 5
Views: 525

Here are some pictures :D http://s634.photobucket.com/albums/uu64/simon-anaya/?action=view¤t=P1020298.jpg and another one: http://s634.photobucket.com/albums/uu64/simon-anaya/?action=view¤t=P1020299.jpg Still not clear enough. But if it looks just like this bird then it's a Blue Cinnamo...
by Jay
Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:37 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Colour cross query
Replies: 2
Views: 392

Re: Colour cross query

I currently have cockatiels but am looking to move out of them and into a pair of ringnecks. Have been offered a pair with the supposed following colours but don't know IRN genetics to understand what colours are correct. Cock bird is visual blue split gray? Hen visual blue. Other pair is: Cock bir...
by Jay
Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:28 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Two Green Parents- Blue baby Birds??
Replies: 6
Views: 742

Re: Thanks

I I went to the gen cal and it indicated that they would both have to be split to blue or the baby's would just be green split to blue. At least this gives me some indication of the parents gene pool. This green female mated last year with a Turq and got - 2 green babies/ 1 lutino / 1 Turq. This is...
by Jay
Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:24 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Colour Question?
Replies: 3
Views: 501

Re: Colour Question?

I'm no good at using the genetic cal so i thought i would ask for anyone's opinion on my green pair :D I don't know anything about the parents either :? anyway they both have yellow under their wings and blue tail feathers :?: does this mean they are split to these colours :?: sorry if this is a si...
by Jay
Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:20 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Help please
Replies: 5
Views: 525

Re: Help please

can someone tell me what color is my female? i know that the male is blue but the female looks different, can someone help me please? Thank you! http://s634.photobucket.com/albums/uu64/simon-anaya/?action=view¤t=parejaazul.jpg Do you have a closer picture? Looks either GreyGreen or GreyGreen ...
by Jay
Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:21 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Can you help identify please?
Replies: 12
Views: 2061

If you're from Australia, it has been mentioned that there are 'lightphase' Pallids among the Pallid bloodlines there... suspected to be caused by inherited gene modifiers. . Here's a pic of a lightphase blue pallid hen, 4 years old http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp119/Ring0Neck/lphasepallid.jp...
by Jay
Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:04 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: European Cobalt and Sapphire
Replies: 19
Views: 3225

Interesting to note that while we had about 5-6 diff bloodlines there, when you had all violet chicks together i can tell you that all looked different shades of violet. Some of them we had to take outside and compare in normal light against a blue and against another violet. it was in fact a viole...
by Jay
Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:28 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: hen or cock
Replies: 14
Views: 1773

I have posted a pic on 'submit aticles' section please have a look an tell me if you think its m or f Unless the father of that bird is a sex-linked mutation and the mother is not, then that bird can be any gender. For example, if the father is a Blue Pallid and the mother is a Blue bird, then any ...
by Jay
Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:12 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: help with color of chicks
Replies: 15
Views: 1356

How would you get a violet or turquoise ring neck from breeding, I mean how hard is it to get one? Both Violet and Turquoise are primary mutations. You can't produce them by combining other mutations. At a minimum, at least one parent has to carry such genes to produce visual Violet and visual Turq...
by Jay
Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:13 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: help with color of chicks
Replies: 15
Views: 1356

Hi Jay Nice pic and ... yes, I can perfectly see the bluish rumps and napes. Greys IRN I have seen in France did not show this particularity. The presence of these areas where grey is less expressed and allows expression of blue and probably violet (if present) ... does it keep a defined heritage p...
by Jay
Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:59 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: about surrogacy
Replies: 4
Views: 623

Re: about surrogacy

I am in a situation in which I need an answer from someone who knows. As you all know I have IRNs. Recently (3weeks ago) some babies hatched. Sunshine and Danny the parent birds have not been feeding the little one hatching very much and I am finding whole nuts, pecans, in the box. Obviously they t...
by Jay
Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:11 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: help with color of chicks
Replies: 15
Views: 1356

Re: help with color of chicks

I've never bred Violet with Grey before but I've come across a write-up of an Australian breeder (Mick Blake or Willy Stobart) who claims that Single-Factor Grey does not totally mask Violet. His breeding result shows a remarkably attractive bird with both Violet and Grey. I've seen SF Grey birds t...
by Jay
Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:25 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: psitacine mutations
Replies: 3
Views: 563

Re: psitacine mutations

Hi, everybody Just for the theory: Has any one tryed to put a lutino sex-linked female to a recesive lutino male? If they are not split, theory says that chicks will be visuals greens ... But, what colour would display a bird showing both lutino mutations? Would it always be yellow? Same deep of ye...
by Jay
Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:15 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Fostering Help
Replies: 3
Views: 502

I know a breeder nearby, Eric Antheunisse of Cedar Hill Aviaries http://www.cedarhillbirds.com/cedarhill_002.htm who fosters his Conure eggs on Indian Ringnecks. I'm not sure about Cockatiels with Conure eggs but my gut feeling would be that it is okay. In my opinion, birds will feed a crying baby a...
by Jay
Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:38 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Chicks not getting out of eggs
Replies: 6
Views: 516

I am in Michigan. The birds are set up in a sunroom, where there are large aqauriums (We have exotic long fin koi) and a fountain, so it isn't that dry, even when heaters are on. Also, there are a lot of plants and my orchidcollection out there, and they like humidity. The birds are very calm, and ...
by Jay
Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:34 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Male not mounting the Female
Replies: 8
Views: 638

I removed all of the eggs ( 6 eggs) yesterday and none were fertile I have placed new nesting material and will observe them again. I will keep trying for the next 2 years and see if the male gets it right. I am wondering if everyone is experiencing this same problem when they say that they have in...
by Jay
Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:19 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: grey/blue inheritance
Replies: 3
Views: 485

Thank you Jay, now I understand better. The confusing factor was mixing visuals (grey) and genes (grey + double blue). On the other hand, when using the genetic calculator choosing "visuals only", if you put a grey-green female (SF) to a visual blue male (no one split to other factor) it ...
by Jay
Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:12 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Can you help identify please?
Replies: 12
Views: 2061

I was not interested in disproving anything.... I was just merely pointing out that continual breeding between PallidIno to Ino birds, does lighten the birds.. I dont read too much into speculation of something until it has actually been done, gives me a headache lol, I just look forward to seeing ...
by Jay
Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:15 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Pairing Advice
Replies: 7
Views: 787

Could you please explain why you call it risky? I have not seen many turquoise birds here. Even lesser chance of finding a turquoise pallid. But I will look around. Maybe not the best choice of words but I say risky because every single baby produced is either questionable on gender or genetics.. o...
by Jay
Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:07 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Chicks not getting out of eggs
Replies: 6
Views: 516

No, nothing changed. The hen was super on her eggs. I give them pine chips in the box, but she gets most of them out. She had 3 eggs last time, two this time. She may be older than I was told? The pair certainly do everything right, just the babes don't get out of shell. They are breeding again rig...
by Jay
Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:57 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: grey/blue inheritance
Replies: 3
Views: 485

Re: grey/blue inheritance

Hi everybody I have a problem with genetics :?: : grey is an autosomical dominant structural colour. On the green series everything is OK. But in the blue series, you just need one gene carrying the blue mutation in order to obtain a grey bird . I respectfully disagree. Because the Blue mutation is...
by Jay
Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:39 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: help with color of chicks
Replies: 15
Views: 1356

Re: help with color of chicks

hello to all need help. I placed a grey female and grey male together for the first time this year. I expected to get grey and possibly blue chicks. They have four chicks 3 of then have pin feathers that are opening one is blue. but the other 2 are a very dark shade of blue not grey. could these be...
by Jay
Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:24 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Can you help identify please?
Replies: 12
Views: 2061

Well, there are a handfull of breeders here in Australia who do the PallidIno lines. I myself with a friend started and sold our lines, it took 3 generations to see a notable difference between the birds colouring... It can take several generations when starting with regular pallid birds as a prime...
by Jay
Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:45 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Pairing Advice
Replies: 7
Views: 787

Re: another thing

The BLue Male is possibly split to Lutino as his father also produced an albino chick with a blue female. Is the Blue x Grey still a good pairing? Risky pairing. I won't do it. Find a Turquoise hen instead. Then you would be hoping the Blue is split Ino. You can produce at least two colors... possi...
by Jay
Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:55 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Can you help identify please?
Replies: 12
Views: 2061

Heya there, they do look like Pallids to me, Lacewing is an old and technically incorrect name for Pallid. The more Pallids are put to ino birds, or pallid ino males, the lighter the young get... you can get pallid birds that look near on lutino, with males that hold both pallid and ino genes looki...
by Jay
Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:36 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Can you help identify please?
Replies: 12
Views: 2061

Thanks Fah. I think I understand. :? So these hens would be classed as a normal pallid? :) Am I correct in thinking, that these with a Lutino male, will produce 100% Pallid ino males and 100% Lutino girls and with a Blue male (no splits known) they will produce 100% green/blue pallid males and 100%...
by Jay
Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:20 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: need help with Genetic Calculator 1.3
Replies: 1
Views: 556

Re: need help with Genetic Calculator 1.3

i need help putting data in the genetic calculator. plz help me in putting data about creaminos, grey leswings, blue leswings, split of blues, split of lutinos, greys, albinos. thanks CreaminoBlue = Turquoise + (split) Blue + Ino Creamino = Turquoise + Ino < this is the double factor version of Cre...
by Jay
Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:08 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Chicks not getting out of eggs
Replies: 6
Views: 516

Re: Chicks not getting out of eggs

Hello ya'all! I have a young breeding pair of IRN's, a green cock and lutino female. They breed well, and hen sits on eggs. All looks perfect, but at last set, eggs didn't hatch. After I was certain they were way past due, I opened them, and there were little chicks, the full size of egg, little fe...
by Jay
Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:03 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Wont sit on eggs
Replies: 2
Views: 323

Re: Wont sit on eggs

I have a blue lacewing hen, she laid 4 eggs, however none were fertile or at least none developed. She is constantly climbing to the top of the nest box and peeking out, it’s like she won’t sit still long enough to keep the eggs warn. This was her first time laying, I didn’t think they would take, ...
by Jay
Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:00 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: breeding in the uk
Replies: 11
Views: 2820

Hi thanks for your help. I work nights so my son has been helping with the feeding and cleaning, this morning was the first time i opened them this week and the hen is in the nest box. Should i go in and check or should i leave her to it? I am feeding them a good quality parrot mix with fruit and v...
by Jay
Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:55 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Pairing Advice
Replies: 7
Views: 787

Re: Pairing Advice

Hi I have 2 one year old males one is Lutio the other is blue. I am looking to Pair them up for the next season. I have the following options for the females Blue Gray Blue Pallid Lutino Albino What would be a good pairing for each? The above are listed in ascending order by Price and the budget is...
by Jay
Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:48 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: LEG BANDS!
Replies: 1
Views: 351

Re: LEG BANDS!

simon-anaya wrote:Hello, im looking for leg bands for my baby IRNs, can someone tell me a good web site to buy them or someplace to get them?
Thank You! :)



If you're from the US, try http://home.earthlink.net/~lmbird/
Get a size 9.5 and band at two weeks of age.
by Jay
Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:46 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: My first pair of Indian Ringnecks Please help
Replies: 1
Views: 328

Re: My first pair of Indian Ringnecks Please help

I have a blue and and a dark factor lutino they are proven with diffrent mates. The male will go in the nestbox but not the female. ANY tips on how to get them to breed would be great or should I repair them?. And what is the breeding season in Missouri? They are in a room by themselves and only bo...
by Jay
Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:40 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Male not mounting the Female
Replies: 8
Views: 638

My breeding pair are not tamed. Everytime I step into the aviary they fly around. I have read in an old post on this website that they eventually figure it out. I just want to confirm this with the experts first hand. If I have to wait another two years than I will wait. Female is currently laying ...
by Jay
Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:22 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Male not mounting the Female
Replies: 8
Views: 638

I've seen a male like that at a friend's aviary. For three years he's given nothing but infertile eggs so he was retired as a breeder.
by Jay
Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:07 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: 2pairs in 1 avairy?
Replies: 2
Views: 409

Partition your large fight and separate the pairs.
by Jay
Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:03 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Egg out of nest Box
Replies: 3
Views: 552

Can you describe the construction and set-up of your nestbox? A picture would be better.

With my nestboxes, it is almost impossible for my birds to carry an egg up a wire ladder and toss eggs outside.
by Jay
Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:57 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: I have a few breeding color questions.
Replies: 1
Views: 407

Pair #1 you get Green split Blues males and hens, written as Green/Blue or visual Green babies with a hidden Blue genes. If the male happens to be a Green/Blue... then 50% of your babies will be visual Blues. Pair#2 You get Green/Blue/Ino males and Green/Blue hens. The male has a possibility of bein...
by Jay
Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:39 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: breeding in the uk
Replies: 11
Views: 2820

Ideally, pairs are set-up in late winter and will breed until end of spring. It's still breeding season where you are so perhaps they'll come around and still breed for you.

Don't worry about the male. Females run the breeding, so they'll be ready if and when she is ready.
by Jay
Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:27 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Ringnecks fostering alexandrines
Replies: 1
Views: 271

Yes. And vice versa.
by Jay
Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:25 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: What is a Blue Lacewing Ino ??
Replies: 1
Views: 503

Re: What is a Blue Lacewing Ino ??

Can anyone tell me what a blue lacewing ino bird is? Is it a blue pallidino or is it blue ino(albino)lacewing. Any genetics and any photos of this bird if possible would be greatfull. Thanks. All three terms you used refer to the same bird and contain the same genetics. But the more accepted term t...
by Jay
Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:49 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: DO I NEED A BROODER???
Replies: 2
Views: 557

In my experience, best time to pull chicks for pet purposes is at 3 weeks. Your need for a brooder depends on the temperature inside your house. During breeding season, our indoor temperature is about 60 deg F so I don't use a brooder. I help the birds keep warm at night and during colder days by in...
by Jay
Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:37 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: What could be wrong?
Replies: 2
Views: 426

First off, IRNs in the Northern hemisphere will start breeding sometime around December-January... give or take. Having said that, this pair is only in their second clutch this breeding season. Did they produce any offsprings on last year's clutch? If they did not, then one (or both) is probably imp...
by Jay
Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:29 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Can i get a second clutch?
Replies: 2
Views: 428

Pulling the current clutch will indeed increase the possibility of them double-clutching.
by Jay
Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:27 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: female irn
Replies: 2
Views: 385

If you want to keep her as a pet then best not to breed her. It is the instinct of living things to want to reproduce and hormones (and other biological factors) causes her to behave as such during breeding season. Don't worry... it will come to pass.
by Jay
Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:59 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: European Cobalt and Sapphire
Replies: 19
Views: 3225

The Dark factor is said to have originated in Europe ... either Belgium or Holland. So here in the US, some breeders had used the term European Cobalt to differentiate the Dark Blue from the American Violet. Some breeders here also use the term American Cobalt for the American Violet mutation. Just ...
by Jay
Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:43 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Anyone heard of the Slatey mutation in IRN,S
Replies: 6
Views: 730

Slaty is a new mutation that behaves autosomal Dominant. The mutation supposedly alters the refractive index of feather keratin according to an article I came across years back.. probably from MUTAVI. In the Blue series, the phenotype is a color midway between Grey and Blue.. somewhat Teal. I have s...
by Jay
Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:49 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Can anyone identify these birds.
Replies: 10
Views: 1225

Here's my take based on your pictures and breeding results. 1. The Father is a crossover specimen, but does not involve Opaline. I believe he is a Pallid-Cinnamon crossover. He is also split Blue since he throws Blue series offsprings. 2. A male bird double-split to Cinnamon and Pallid (more popular...
by Jay
Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:44 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Aggressive Hen?
Replies: 5
Views: 820

I don't think they will breed until this coming winter anyway so I don't see a point in putting them together in one cage at this point in time.
by Jay
Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:41 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Violet & Cobalt pair
Replies: 7
Views: 5659

Those pictures actually came from Chriskoi but I personally prefer the Violet mutation over the Cobalts. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Can't say it enough.
by Jay
Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:39 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: what is Ino?
Replies: 3
Views: 775

In addition to what IndianRingneckBoy said...

Ino is an albinism gene that causes melanin (black pigment) reduction. There are three types of Ino IRNs namely Lutino, Albino, and Creamino.
by Jay
Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:40 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Aggressive Hen?
Replies: 5
Views: 820

As I said above since IRNs' breeding behavior is sometimes unpredictable, we can only react to what they show us and not what we think is happening. I would separate them for now to protect the male.
by Jay
Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:52 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Aggressive Hen?
Replies: 5
Views: 820

If these birds are not in climate-controlled and artificially-lighted and manipulated environment, the she is probably not "pregnant". It is too late (or too early) for these birds to be breeding as breeding season in North America starts late winter through early spring. Breeder IRNs can ...
by Jay
Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:41 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Question about eggs??
Replies: 4
Views: 797

Expect eggs between 2-4 weeks after the mating festivities had started. Eggs are laid every other day usually around mid morning. Incubation starts usually when the second or third egg is laid. Incubation period lasts 23 days, give or take.
by Jay
Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:59 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: can you handle you breeders??
Replies: 1
Views: 568

Untame birds will remain untame, whether breeding or not. Tame male birds can breed, but will turn aloof once they have chicks. Female pets sometimes also breed, but once they have babies, they will be hostile, can and will attack as they have no fear of humans. Most of the time, tame birds-turned b...
by Jay
Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:49 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: destroying the nest boxes
Replies: 6
Views: 1120

I've seen at least one breeder use metal nest boxes but I don't personally use them. They don't have the natural look and feel to it and I also think that a metal nestbox will not retain heat as much as wood does. In other words, metal boxes will be a lot more colder for the young featherless chicks...
by Jay
Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:43 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: yep im back with more questions
Replies: 2
Views: 643

Pink,

Silver = Blue + Grey(SF) + Cinnamon
by Jay
Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:41 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: more questions
Replies: 1
Views: 581

Mature males will not normally harm young hens but in fact entice them to breed.

That cage should be large enough for them to breed in.
by Jay
Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:25 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Violet & Cobalt pair
Replies: 7
Views: 5659

Re: Violet & Cobalt pair

I found on the net saying: " Violet Blue in combination with Cobalt will result in a deeper Violet color which will be a jewel for the eye" My questions is: Does this result offspring have a name? or would it be called plain violet-cobalt?? anyone has a picture of the above? wold love to ...
by Jay
Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:17 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Suggestions Needed on Violet IRN Pairing
Replies: 17
Views: 3269

Jay, The DF below, does it mean that violet will be double factor?? On the results above, the DF only applies to the Turquoise gene and NOT the Violet gene. To produce DF Violets, both parents need to have the Violet gene. Eg: Pairing a DF Turquoise Violet Pallid hen with say a blue, all young will...
by Jay
Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:08 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: What kind of mutation?
Replies: 3
Views: 805

My guess would be a Cinnamon Turquoise Blue... unless I see a picture, it's just a guess Cinnamon Turquoiseblue chick on the right http://www.indianringneck.net/sitebuilder/images/CupShot1-250x200.jpg Cinnamon Turquoiseblue adult hen on the right http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u267/depoisdopraze...
by Jay
Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:02 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: colour?
Replies: 13
Views: 1268

... just out of curiosity why would she have that colour tinge ?? Because on most Inos, melanin on the feather is not entirely eliminated. Melanin is what produces the Blue coloration through a phenomenon called contructive interference. Blue coloration when mixed with the yellow pigments called ps...
by Jay
Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:57 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Pairing suggestions?
Replies: 2
Views: 686

In my experience, 2 year old males successfully breed only 50% of the time... but you might get lucky and he could be mature enough. Sometimes it takes some time within the breeding season for pairs to actually start mating. If you choose to get another mate for your bird, look for at least a 3 year...
by Jay
Sat May 31, 2008 8:12 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: colour?
Replies: 13
Views: 1268

From your pictures, it does look like an Albino.
by Jay
Sat May 31, 2008 11:22 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: colour?
Replies: 13
Views: 1268

Although the picture is blurry, the bird does look like an Albino. The sheen looks Violet rather than Blue Green? Some Inos do retain a small amount melanin hence Grey, Green, or Bluish sheen is sometimes noticeable. I wanted to see some pictures because Grey Pallidinos and Blue Pallidinos are somet...
by Jay
Fri May 30, 2008 7:58 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Suggestions Needed on Violet IRN Pairing
Replies: 17
Views: 3269

Oops. Your male is actually a Pastel Blue Lacewing and not a Blue Lacewing.

Just add the following to the results above:

=DF Turquoise split Pallid cocks
=DF Turquoise Violet split Pallid cocks
=DF Turquoise Pallid hens
=DF Turquoise Violet Pallid hens

DF = Double Factor
Pallid = Lacewing
by Jay
Fri May 30, 2008 7:36 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Could this be a Mauve?
Replies: 3
Views: 1492

Thanks Jay, I have grey irn's and this is much darker then the ones i have or have seen as grey. Also, it has a distinguished/different appearance to the rest of my IRNs We call him Eagle as to how he looks and is slightly larger then the 07 IRNs I will probably pair him up as you said and see what...
by Jay
Fri May 30, 2008 7:32 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: colour?
Replies: 13
Views: 1268

Yup. Besides feather, the eye, toenail, and feet color would be of help in identifying it.
by Jay
Fri May 30, 2008 7:28 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Suggestions Needed on Violet IRN Pairing
Replies: 17
Views: 3269

Pastel = Turquoise + Blue So on the GenCalc, click Turquoise + Blue + SF Violet under the female column (0.1). The Blue will have to be selected under the "splits to" column. Click Blue + Pallid on the male column (1.0) both under the "visual" column. The result you would have go...
by Jay
Wed May 28, 2008 6:28 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Could this be a Mauve?
Replies: 3
Views: 1492

Although Grey and Mauve look similar, Mauve would have some Bluish tinge to the bird. Also, Mauve is bred from two Cobalt parents. Cobalt in the US is worth over $1000 per bird and in Australia probably twice that. Having said that, it is probably not a Mauve as Mauves and Cobalts are extremely rare...
by Jay
Sun May 25, 2008 7:43 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Do IRNs Pair Young?Quest on Temps?
Replies: 4
Views: 869

If they are fully-weaned, now is a good time to bring them outside so that they will slowly acclimatize to the increasing late spring-early summer temperatures. Remember, they have natural feather jackets so 50 degrees F weather shouldn't bother them that much. Southern California has great climate ...
by Jay
Sun May 25, 2008 7:20 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Do IRNs Pair Young?Quest on Temps?
Replies: 4
Views: 869

Each IRN has their own distinct personality so they may prefer to hang out with another IRN over a clutchmate.... familiarity breeds contempt ? After some time, IRNs will forget who their clutchmates are. They'll even forget who their parents/offsprings are and will mate with them the following seas...
by Jay
Sun May 25, 2008 9:19 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Suggestions Needed on Violet IRN Pairing
Replies: 17
Views: 3269

I tried to pair up the Violet hen with a Lacewing blue cock. No luck.. as the hen hates light colors for some reason and chased him all over the aviary. had to be removed. suggestions?? thanks It's way too early in your breeding season. Besides the possible lack of interest by the hen on your male,...
by Jay
Sun May 25, 2008 9:05 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Preserving eggs
Replies: 5
Views: 996

Re: Preserving eggs

Just thought i ask. Does anyone know how to preserve eggs? and how long can you hold them for? Why? you might ask...there's times when: 1. having a pair that is their first time but you don't trust them hatching 2. a pair that is known not to care for the young or worse kill them so many other scen...
by Jay
Thu May 22, 2008 7:46 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Is it easy to breed IRNs?
Replies: 6
Views: 1309

Re: Is it easy to breed IRNs?

Hello, I am new to IRNs and to this site. I have read a lot of posting regarding breeding but need someone to answer a few questions for me. 1. Has anyone been unsuccessful in breeding IRNs? 2. How long (years) do I have to wait for my IRNs to produce babies? 3. How will I know if my pair will not ...
by Jay
Thu May 22, 2008 7:38 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Suggestions Needed on Violet IRN Pairing
Replies: 17
Views: 3269

Jay, Thanks for the valuable info. Yes my avatar is just a temp , i'll get a better one done up. Lacewing cock: should not matter if it is a grey, green or blue lacewing or does it? Just on the Creamino Cock, suggestions on a hen??? For your Creamino cock, the best mate would be a Turquoise Grey La...
by Jay
Thu May 22, 2008 7:09 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Suggestions Needed on Violet IRN Pairing
Replies: 17
Views: 3269

Because Violet is a Dominant mutation and Lacewing (Pallid) is sex-linked and "acts" Dominant in females, then you can breed Violet Lacewings on the first generation by breeding a Lacewing male with a Violet hen. It is a lot more difficult to breed Violet into the recessive mutations such ...
by Jay
Thu May 22, 2008 7:03 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: more color questions
Replies: 8
Views: 1968

thanks jay so it would be best to get a cage thats long rather than tall? is that right? Captive birds in cages tend to prefer to fly horizontally rather than vertically, so horizontal cages enables them to get more exercise. Here's a 2'x2'x4' breeding cage that I built http://i170.photobucket.com/...
by Jay
Thu May 22, 2008 6:07 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Suggestions Needed on Violet IRN Pairing
Replies: 17
Views: 3269

Violet IRNs combine best with Blue series birds. So other than Blue, look for the following males for your mature hen: 1. TurquoiseBlue or Turquoise (PastelBlue or Pastel) 2. Blue or TurquoiseBlue Lacewings (if you like the lighter shade of IRNs) 3. No Inos as Ino will totally mask Violet 4. No Grey...
by Jay
Wed May 21, 2008 10:37 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Question about a color...
Replies: 8
Views: 1286

You got it. As you can see, all offsprings are Green. Get a Green Lacewing hen that is split to Blue or split to Turquoise and your results would be a whole lot better.
by Jay
Wed May 21, 2008 10:34 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Question about a color...
Replies: 8
Views: 1286

Thanks again Jay! (I have been trying the genetic calculator but with no luck!) The male is lutino and I believe the green lacewing is female. Is there any other pairings that would be more optimal? I do have a turquoise male also... Turquoise birds can pretty much combine to good effect with any m...
by Jay
Wed May 21, 2008 10:23 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Question about a color...
Replies: 8
Views: 1286

Depending on gender of parents, results will vary.

Lutino male x Green Lacewing hen
=Green Pallidino males
=Lutino hens

Green Lacewing male x Lutino hen
=Green Pallidino males
=Green Lacewing hens
by Jay
Wed May 21, 2008 10:19 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: What color?
Replies: 2
Views: 711

:D
by Jay
Wed May 21, 2008 10:18 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Color?
Replies: 2
Views: 691

Nice job Pink :wink:
by Jay
Wed May 21, 2008 10:15 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: what options to get something other than green
Replies: 1
Views: 557

Your male should be able to breed Greens and Yellows when mated to ANY female. If he is also split to Blue (his parents could be split Blues), then mating him to a Blue hen or split Blue hen will produce you Blue chicks. Only way to find out is test breeding. Sure way to breed Blue is to mate Blue o...
by Jay
Wed May 21, 2008 10:10 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Names of colors?
Replies: 4
Views: 886

Hi MGA, Albinism (Ino mutation) means absence of melanin in the feathers, eyes, and superficial soft tissues. Lutinos, Albinos and Creaminos fall into that category. Lutinos and Creaminos however contain another pigmentation called psittacin. Psittacins are sometimes called Luteins, so this is where...
by Jay
Wed May 21, 2008 9:54 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: more color questions
Replies: 8
Views: 1968

Your cage size should be sufficient for breeding pets. But best breeding cages are those oriented horizontally. Minimum size where IRNs are bred successfully is 2'x2'x4' horizonal and suspended approximately 3 feet.
by Jay
Wed May 21, 2008 9:49 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Question about a color...
Replies: 8
Views: 1286

Probably a Green Lacewing
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or a Green Cinnamon
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by Jay
Sun May 18, 2008 9:21 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: I got 2 questions
Replies: 9
Views: 1144

All babies visual Blue. All males split to Cinnamon.
by Jay
Sun May 18, 2008 5:36 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: I got 2 questions
Replies: 9
Views: 1144

everardor wrote:exactly like her coool :) they told me she was just a blue irn when i got her she was really tame

well they look like they bonded within 2 weeks so if they happen to breed what color mutations could i get jay i know you know a lot about that?



What's the color and split (if any) on the male?
by Jay
Sat May 17, 2008 11:32 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: I got 2 questions
Replies: 9
Views: 1144

Looks like a Blue Cinnamon. Does your bird's feather, nails, and feet look like this member's Blue Cinnamon?

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by Jay
Sat May 17, 2008 11:26 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: a few questions
Replies: 10
Views: 1355

bec wrote:i saw the most beautiful hen today a lace wing with green & yellow coloring would she be a good match for kieron?


Unless Kieron is a Blue split Lacewing and the Green Lacewing is split Blue or Turquoise, it wouldn't be a good match. They'll only produce Green babies.
by Jay
Thu May 08, 2008 12:26 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: green variations
Replies: 1
Views: 527

It's not possible to determine a split based on visual appearance. That's just the nature of recessive traits. Besides color genes, birds also inherit modifier genes - these are minor genes that make each individual bird look different from other birds of the same color. For instance, some Blues are...
by Jay
Wed May 07, 2008 7:42 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: a few questions
Replies: 10
Views: 1355

A Blue series hen is best for him. Do you know what color his parents were? Just want to establish what possible splits he carries. Meanwhile, look for minimum two year old hens of the following colors, in this particular order of preference: 1. TurquoiseBlue Grey AKA TurquoiseGrey or PastelGrey 2. ...
by Jay
Mon May 05, 2008 6:39 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Whited headed indian ringneck
Replies: 5
Views: 1220

Those are Blue and Grey Pallids. How much do they want them for?
by Jay
Sun May 04, 2008 12:41 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Outcome possible breeding
Replies: 4
Views: 927

Chriskoi, I sort of considered the possibility that the father is split Cinnamon as well but it is highly unlikely that the male's mother is a genuine Blue Cinnamon-Pallid for the following reasons: 1. Crossover rate for Cinnamon and Pallid is 3%. Meaning if you breed even a Blue/Cinnamon/Pallid mal...
by Jay
Sun May 04, 2008 7:22 am
Forum: IRN Breeders
Topic: Can you Tell me the color?
Replies: 1
Views: 1461

If those are Green feathers on the wings, then he's a TurquoiseBlue. If his toenails are light colored and his feet are light Brown and not Grey, then he has Cinnamon in him as well.
by Jay
Sun May 04, 2008 6:43 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Whited headed indian ringneck
Replies: 5
Views: 1220

Most likely they are Pallids as Grey and Blue Pallids don't have Cinnamon(Brown) flight feathers. They have them as Grey. Listed below are other white-headed specimens (not containing Pallid or Cinnamon). Their contrast is darker than the Pallids since the body plumage are of a darker hue compared t...
by Jay
Sat May 03, 2008 10:17 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Outcome possible breeding
Replies: 4
Views: 927

Grey/Pallid male x GreyGreen hen =Grey(SF) Green/Blue Pallid males =Grey(DF) Green/Blue Pallid males =Green/Blue Pallid males =Green/Blue males and hens =Grey(SF) Green/Blue males and hens =Grey(DF) Green/Blue males and hens =Grey(SF) Green Pallid/Blue hens =Grey(DF) Green Pallid/Blue hens =Green P...
by Jay
Sat May 03, 2008 10:07 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Help Pairing DF Pastel Grey split Ino Cock
Replies: 1
Views: 537

I recommend a Blue Lacewing hen. Grey Turquoise/Ino male x Blue Lacewing hen =Grey TurquoiseBlue pallidIno males =TurquoiseBlue pallidIno males =Grey TurquoiseBlue/Lacewing males =TurquoiseBlue/Lacewing males =Grey TurquoiseBlue Ino hens (Creamino masking Grey) =TurquoiseBlue Ino hens (Creamino) =Gr...
by Jay
Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:46 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: How many clutch per season?
Replies: 4
Views: 986

I have a hand-raised hen who double clutches every year and is the best mother/foster mother of all my IRNs. She is not as flighty as the rest of them and will let me inspect her eggs/chicks while she is inside the box. http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u267/depoisdoprazer/DSC03397.jpg Maybe she is...
by Jay
Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:54 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: breeding pair/new
Replies: 6
Views: 967

Image
by Jay
Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:50 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: What is this bird?
Replies: 9
Views: 1748

Saud, A Lacewing would be "Pallid" in the GenCalc. Here are pictures of Blue Pallids (AKA Blue Lacewings) that are in my aviary. Mother http://www.indianringneck.net/sitebuilder/images/IRN_067-229x334.jpg ..and Daughter http://www.indianringneck.net/sitebuilder/images/IMG_2156-210x330.jpg ...
by Jay
Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:45 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: What is this bird?
Replies: 9
Views: 1748

Saud,

Pictures below.
by Jay
Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:09 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: What is this bird?
Replies: 9
Views: 1748

Sounds like a Blue Lacewing (Pallid) to me.
by Jay
Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:07 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: How many clutch per season?
Replies: 4
Views: 986

Re: How many clutch per season?

Can someone tell me, how many clutch per season does IRN produce? If i let my IRN rear their chicks up to the time they comes out of their nest box, Is their a possibilty that they can produce another clutch? Thank you. Not likely. If you pull their eggs after the last egg of the clutch is laid (to...
by Jay
Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:30 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

Pink and Love you are awesome. Aced it! Now you can do all the color predictions on the forum as I take a break from color-predicting duties. Just some notes on some of the offsprings you had calculated: 12.5% 0.1 grey(sf) ino /turquoise(parblue) ** This bird is a Lutino masking Grey split Turquoise...
by Jay
Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:45 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

I think we have another correct answer! I think so too. Well done. Here's three more which if you get them correct, you've pretty proven you've got a handle on the calculator, kinda like your Final Exams? 1. Turquoise Ino cock x Lutino/Blue hen 2. TurquoiseBlue Grey PallidIno cock x Green hen 3. Vi...
by Jay
Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:08 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

You can keep the VioletGreen pictures in your website Chriskoi. I'm just flattered my long-tailed IRNs made it international. Let me know if you need anymore pictures The "black-headed" ringnecks looked dubious to me. Seems to me someone either did an excellent Photoshop rendition or paint...
by Jay
Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:36 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

Next pairing, another one of Rick's query:

Blue Cinnamon (Skyblue) male x Grey hen
by Jay
Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:26 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

I wonder if there will ever be a black IRN? Not a real black one, but with a black head (from an austrian bird keeper): http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4811/dscn5557vc4.jpg Nice IRN Photoshop mutation Two of my VioletGreen birds made it to your website. Kool m
by Jay
Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:17 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

Both of you are correct again! Nice going. What does the "D" and the T1 & T2 that pops up on the calculator mean? The D means the Dark Factor, a mutation when combined with Blue produces the Cobalt IRN color. T1 and T2 denotes if the single Dark Factor gene is linked in one common chro...
by Jay
Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:01 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Color help
Replies: 7
Views: 967

Good recovery pinkdevil and nice first shot lovemybirds. Always remember, unless mentioned, a dominant mutation bird is Single-Factor. You ladies are awesome. All the pairings are correct... as in wow! Some notes on the pairings above: 100.0% 0.1 grey(sf) blue ino <<< This bird is what we would call...
by Jay
Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:56 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

Chriskoi wrote:So try this one:

1,0 cleartail turquoise cobalt x 0,1 violet / cleartail


Do you have such birds Chriskoi?
by Jay
Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:55 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

So try this one: 1,0 cleartail turquoise cobalt x 0,1 violet / cleartail Good job again lovemybirds and pinkdevil. We're on a roll Ok for Chriskoi's pairing, here are some hints. Turquoise = Turquoise + Blue Cobalt = Dark (SF) + Blue Turquoise Cobalt = Dark (SF) + Turquoise + Blue Violet = Violet (...
by Jay
Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:28 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Color help
Replies: 7
Views: 967

My apprentices pinkdevil or lovemybirds should be able to handle this. They'll be scootin' along any time now... :D


Hint:
Albino = Blue + Ino
by Jay
Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:21 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

Good job. You ladies are learning quick. Now let's try a pairing that Rick had asked on another thread. Grey Dominant Edge_Dilute male x Blue hen Things to remember: * visual Grey = Grey + Blue * Unless mentioned as a Double-Factor(DF), a dominant mutation such as Grey or Dominant Edge_Dilute defaul...
by Jay
Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:11 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Help Identifying breeder mutations
Replies: 3
Views: 723

Thanks for your help!!!! I will take some pics and post them tommorrow. Is there a reason why the blue cinnamon looks so white??? I had never seen one like him. Rick, From your picture, the wing tips appear to be brown hence Cinnamon. But if the wingtips are actually Grey and the feathers are as wh...
by Jay
Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:05 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

Not quite lovemybirds... For the TurquoiseBlue male, the "Turquoise" and "Blue" has to be selected. Select the "Turquoise" under the VISUAL column and "Blue" under the SPLITS TO column. So give it one more shot ... Important Notes: TurquoiseBlue=SingleFactor T...
by Jay
Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:56 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Help Identifying breeder mutations
Replies: 3
Views: 723

Hi Rick, Do you have better pictures of the cock you think is Pallid? Too much flash so take the pictures under natural lighting if possible. The hen (it looks like a hen to me, the one with yellow markings on the wings) is definitely a TurquoiseBlue Grey Pallid. If the male is in fact a Pallid, the...
by Jay
Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:20 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: How valuable the green mutations are?
Replies: 2
Views: 688

The only way a Green bird can produce the valuable mutations is if the actual mutation happens on its offsprings... 1/10 million chance according to Darwin. Other than that, to breed any mutation, you need to have that mutation present in your parent birds. So, to produce a Cleartail baby, the paren...
by Jay
Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:13 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

Next one:

TurquoiseBlue/Lutino cock x Lutino hen
by Jay
Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:07 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

ok see if I understand this correctly. Besides the obvious green outcome, (ie green/blue etc), blue/ino & ino/blue both carry the green gene as the little "+" sign is present in those genetic codes? Let me see if I can explain this in simpler terms. A chromosome is divided into sectio...
by Jay
Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:38 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

Good job ladies. Doing great so far. For those of you who would like to know how the offsprings were derived for: Blue male x Lutino/Blue hen 1. Click on RESET on the bottom of the page to make sure no selection is picked from a previous calculation. 2. For the male, click "Blue" under the...
by Jay
Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:32 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

Try this next one.

Blue cock x Lutino/Blue hen
by Jay
Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:27 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

On the genetics code in the results, what does this mean bl+/bl;ino+/ino; & bl+/bl; ? Does the "bl+" represent green? Each one of those codes correspond to the color gene found in one chromosome. But since chromosomes always come in pairs, so will those genetic color codes. A visual b...
by Jay
Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:11 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Anyone know color of babies?
Replies: 8
Views: 1425

MGA,

Didn't intend to hijack your thread so we are continuing the GenCalc topic on a different thread http://www.indianringneck.com/board/vie ... 4515#44515.

Thanks.
by Jay
Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:05 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Predicting colors using GenCalc
Replies: 51
Views: 6402

Predicting colors using GenCalc

I think this topic deserves its own thread so I'm continuing on from this link: http://www.indianringneck.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=5984 For the pairing: Blue cock x Lutino hen lol this is like being back at school doing exams lol. So nerve racking lol Ok I entered the pair and I came up with...... ...
by Jay
Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:10 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Paired Ringneck Not liking each other?
Replies: 3
Views: 767

The breeding season in the American East Coast generally starts around December. It is now April so your breeding window is probably already closed.
by Jay
Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:38 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Anyone know color of babies?
Replies: 8
Views: 1425

Thanks for the genetic question explaination invite. Will probably be bugging you for quite awhile with them lol (You have opened up a can of worms now Jay ) It's okay really . I've been doing this for a while and I actually enjoy educating newbies. Go ahead and punch in this pairing and tell me wh...
by Jay
Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:32 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Paired Ringneck Not liking each other?
Replies: 3
Views: 767

It's almost the end of the breeding season. If they were set-up only fairly recently, then chances are they will not bond and breed for you this year. You'll have to wait until the next breeding season which starts in December. Hens dictate the breeding and usually dominate the cage. Had she not lik...
by Jay
Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:26 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Anyone know color of babies?
Replies: 8
Views: 1425

Each of the entry buttons on M. Rasek's Genetic Calculator corresponds to a Primary mutation. You have to learn to identify the primary mutations that comprise the most common colors. Here are common color combinations: Albino = Blue + Ino Creamino = Turquoise + Blue + Ino or Turquoise + Ino visual ...
by Jay
Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:02 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: What color?
Replies: 6
Views: 996

Will the out come be the same if the grey hen is single or double factor as I am not sure which she is? The outcome mentioned earlier was for a SF Grey hen which is far more common than DF Greys. For a DF Grey bird to be one, both of its parents has to have the Grey gene. Albino male x DF Grey hen ...
by Jay
Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:32 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Anyone know color of babies?
Replies: 8
Views: 1425

Assuming you have a Grey(Single-Factor) hen....

Blue male x Grey(SF) hen
=50% Blue males and hens
=50% Grey males and hens


However, if the hen is Grey(Double-Factor) then all babies will be visual Grey.

Blue male x Grey(DF) hen
=50% Grey hens
=50% Grey males
by Jay
Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:32 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Yet, another color question??
Replies: 1
Views: 596

Green/Lutino male x Lutino hen
=Green/Lutino males
=Lutino males
=Green hens
=Lutino hens

Hope that helps.
by Jay
Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:30 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: IRN chick
Replies: 8
Views: 2605

IRN and Alexandrine babies aren't any different except for amounts of food to feed.

No need to bath them. Just wipe off excess formula stuck all over their body after feeding. When they get older, they will preen and bath themselves. Put a small dish of water along with the weaning foods.
by Jay
Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:45 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Another colour outcome question.
Replies: 4
Views: 892

So, is he split for blue? She said he was a Green cinnamon Once again, thanks for your help! If what the breeder said is true (that they had produced Skyblues in the past), then your male is definitely Green Cinnamon split Blue. Since Blue is recessive, the Blue gene has to come from both parents t...
by Jay
Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:41 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: what will i get from blue cock x greygreen cinnamon
Replies: 2
Views: 688

Hi there,

Blue cock x GreyGreen Cinnamon hen
=GreyGreen/Blue/Cinnamon cocks
=Green/Blue/Cinnamon cocks
=GreyGreen/Blue hens
=Green/Blue hens

Hope that helps.
by Jay
Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:46 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Another colour outcome question.
Replies: 4
Views: 892

Because both parents are Cinnamons, then all offsprings will be visual Cinnamons, NOT split Cinnamons. Green Cinnamon/Blue cock x Blue Cinnamon hen =Blue Cinnamon cocks and hens =Green Cinnamon/Blue cocks and hens. All Green Cinnamons will be split Blue and you won't get plain Green birds from this ...
by Jay
Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:42 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: What color?
Replies: 6
Views: 996

Grey male x Albino hen will give you Albino and Blue males and females with all males being split Lutino.

You have to DNA to determine gender. It's not as convenient as the first pairing.
by Jay
Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:39 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: colour sugestions?
Replies: 10
Views: 1562

i too need colour suggestions or matches i have a olive hen a lutino hen two green cocks with touch of yellow on fwd part of both wings a blue hen with a touch of white on fwd part of both wings a blue cock with a touch of white on fwd part of both wings a young albino cock & a albino hen how w...
by Jay
Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:27 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: colour sugestions?
Replies: 10
Views: 1562

Pinkdevil ~ I just bought on e-bay the Indian Ringneck Breeders Handbook by Phil Robson. The lady I bought the breeding pair off, showed it to me on the weekend, and it shows colours and what babies to expect amongst other things. She highly recommended it to me. It looked pretty good! There was on...
by Jay
Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:45 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Baby wwight gain question- Hope this is the right thread loc
Replies: 3
Views: 640

Thank you Jay! BTW my Turq Male and Green female have produced a blue a yellow and 2 greens. I wonder what the likely hood of them having such a diverse clutch is again. Let me know if you have any thoughts. Because the male is TurquoiseBlue/Lutino and the hen is Green/Blue (based on their visual c...
by Jay
Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:04 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: colour sugestions?
Replies: 10
Views: 1562

Thanks very much for that Bummer about no such thing as blue split albino. Those colours I mentioned were how they were advertised. An Albino is a combination of the Blue and Lutino mutations. Albino = Blue Lutino So saying Blue split Albino is like saying Blue split Blue Lutino. A bird cannot be a...
by Jay
Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:54 am
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: Baby wwight gain question- Hope this is the right thread loc
Replies: 3
Views: 640

The weights seem about right. You gotta understand that genetics also play a role in the weight progression of your IRNs. Some birds are naturally bigger and heavier than others. The weight range for mature healthy IRNs range from 110 grams to as high as 150 grams. The concerns of overfeeding has it...
by Jay
Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:09 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: colour sugestions?
Replies: 10
Views: 1562

I would pair them as follows to maximize color possibilities and minimize probables and mutations masking another. Blue/Lutino cock (no such thing as Blue split Albino) x Grey hen Green cock x GreyGreen (Olive) hen Grey cock x Cinnamon/Blue hen Grey/Cinnamon cock x Blue Cinnamon (Skyblue) hen Blue L...
by Jay
Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:35 pm
Forum: Breeding IRNs
Topic: What color?
Replies: 6
Views: 996

Albino male x Grey hen =25% Grey split Lutino cocks =25% Blue split Lutino cocks =25% Albino masking Grey hens =25% Albino hens Any red-eyed baby produced will be guaranteed hen (and will eventually feather into an Albino). All dark-eyed babies will be guaranteed males and will feather into Greys o...